zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Looking at the rebuild from strictly the trade/sign perspective and production and see where we wound up.
1. Jason Heyward and Walden for Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins - For production in the majors, the Cardinals got 6.5 rWAR from Jason and 0.6 from Walden. We got 3.6 out fo Shelby. Cardinals clearly won short term in this deal. Shelby was a risky acquisition. He won the Braves season, then has sucked in AZ. Where this trade is a huge win for us is the continued victory of the Miller trade, getting back Blair, Swanson and Inciarte. WHich is a great return for Jason's 1 season.
2. Justin Upton and Northcraft for Max Fried, D. Peterson, J. Peterson, and Mallex - Justin was good for SD, produced a very respectable 3.5 rWAR. On the major league front all we've gotten is production form Jace and Mallex, which has totalled 1.8 rWAR. Mostly from Mallex. Mallex has been a quality player for us this year, he and Fried will be the ones who make it or break it for us. Fried is concerning so far.
3. Gattis and Hoyt for Ruiz, Thurman, and Folty. Gattis has produced a 1.4 rWAR, Folty -0.9. We have 2 chances to make this deal work. First is Ruiz and his potential at 3B, if Ruiz can be an everyday 3B, we will be OK, if Folty lives up to his potential we will be OK.
4. LaStella for Viz - 1.2 rWAR for TLS and 1.4 for Viz. Honestly a pretty fair trade. Both are flawed players. If we trade off Viz for talent this will be a real win.
5. Carpenter and Shreve for ManBan - Carpenter did nothing for the Yankees, but Shreve has been quite good totalling a 1.3 rWAR, ManBan -0.2 rWAR. This is a huge win trade to be blunt even if Manny doesn't pitch much, the chance we have to take.
6. Kubitza for Hyatt and Sanchez - Non-starter of a move to be honest.
7. Elander for Cahill - Bad trade for us.
8. Kimbrel and Melvin for Paroubeck, Maybin, QUentin, and Wisler and competitive balance pick. This si the one that I wanted to delve in to. Maybin was a solid 0.6 rWAR that we flipped for Krol (and 0.6 rWAR) WIsler has added 0.2 rWAR. Obviously Wisler is the key to this deal. But what makes this tough is what happened with SD. Kimbrel wasn't a full fledged beast but still handedly outperformed anything we got back. the shocker is Melvin who since the trade pulled a 3.5 rWAR for San Diego. Kimbrel was then flipped by SD for a lot of top prospects, rough value equivalents in our system would be Riley, Mallex, and Davidson. SIck return. Upton was flipped for a savings of 5M. Which isn't the end of the world but they wound up saving something.
9. Olivera trade - I can't even discuss the failure of this trade.
10. Simmons for Ellis, Newcomb, and Aybar. Simmons has been leagues better than Aybar, but where this trade comes to, is SImmons vs. Newcomb. Ellis is a good arm too, but for this trade to work, Newcomb needs to be a TOR starter. Not my favorite trade.
11. Bethancourt for Rodriguez and Kelly- Honestly this trade screams nothing more than Bethancourt was done here. We saw all we wanted to. He's done well in SD in his limited role.
I'm gonna stop there as most other trades were trades for picks and slot money. Which is a different discussion.
What the Braves have done right is restocking the farm, Look at sickel's top 20 over half of them came via trade (even excluding Olivera) so there's something there, and that's not including graduated from the year before guys like Folty, Jace and Viz. You cannot deny that our farm has done a total 180. But there has to be concerns, especially with trades liek the Olivera one, and Simmons one where the return may not justify the cost.
1. Jason Heyward and Walden for Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins - For production in the majors, the Cardinals got 6.5 rWAR from Jason and 0.6 from Walden. We got 3.6 out fo Shelby. Cardinals clearly won short term in this deal. Shelby was a risky acquisition. He won the Braves season, then has sucked in AZ. Where this trade is a huge win for us is the continued victory of the Miller trade, getting back Blair, Swanson and Inciarte. WHich is a great return for Jason's 1 season.
2. Justin Upton and Northcraft for Max Fried, D. Peterson, J. Peterson, and Mallex - Justin was good for SD, produced a very respectable 3.5 rWAR. On the major league front all we've gotten is production form Jace and Mallex, which has totalled 1.8 rWAR. Mostly from Mallex. Mallex has been a quality player for us this year, he and Fried will be the ones who make it or break it for us. Fried is concerning so far.
3. Gattis and Hoyt for Ruiz, Thurman, and Folty. Gattis has produced a 1.4 rWAR, Folty -0.9. We have 2 chances to make this deal work. First is Ruiz and his potential at 3B, if Ruiz can be an everyday 3B, we will be OK, if Folty lives up to his potential we will be OK.
4. LaStella for Viz - 1.2 rWAR for TLS and 1.4 for Viz. Honestly a pretty fair trade. Both are flawed players. If we trade off Viz for talent this will be a real win.
5. Carpenter and Shreve for ManBan - Carpenter did nothing for the Yankees, but Shreve has been quite good totalling a 1.3 rWAR, ManBan -0.2 rWAR. This is a huge win trade to be blunt even if Manny doesn't pitch much, the chance we have to take.
6. Kubitza for Hyatt and Sanchez - Non-starter of a move to be honest.
7. Elander for Cahill - Bad trade for us.
8. Kimbrel and Melvin for Paroubeck, Maybin, QUentin, and Wisler and competitive balance pick. This si the one that I wanted to delve in to. Maybin was a solid 0.6 rWAR that we flipped for Krol (and 0.6 rWAR) WIsler has added 0.2 rWAR. Obviously Wisler is the key to this deal. But what makes this tough is what happened with SD. Kimbrel wasn't a full fledged beast but still handedly outperformed anything we got back. the shocker is Melvin who since the trade pulled a 3.5 rWAR for San Diego. Kimbrel was then flipped by SD for a lot of top prospects, rough value equivalents in our system would be Riley, Mallex, and Davidson. SIck return. Upton was flipped for a savings of 5M. Which isn't the end of the world but they wound up saving something.
9. Olivera trade - I can't even discuss the failure of this trade.
10. Simmons for Ellis, Newcomb, and Aybar. Simmons has been leagues better than Aybar, but where this trade comes to, is SImmons vs. Newcomb. Ellis is a good arm too, but for this trade to work, Newcomb needs to be a TOR starter. Not my favorite trade.
11. Bethancourt for Rodriguez and Kelly- Honestly this trade screams nothing more than Bethancourt was done here. We saw all we wanted to. He's done well in SD in his limited role.
I'm gonna stop there as most other trades were trades for picks and slot money. Which is a different discussion.
What the Braves have done right is restocking the farm, Look at sickel's top 20 over half of them came via trade (even excluding Olivera) so there's something there, and that's not including graduated from the year before guys like Folty, Jace and Viz. You cannot deny that our farm has done a total 180. But there has to be concerns, especially with trades liek the Olivera one, and Simmons one where the return may not justify the cost.
