He was a good hitter...until last year. Last year he wasn't. The people who said he wasn't a good hitter before last year said so because he never became the huge offensive force he was capable of being. But that didn't mean he wasn't a good hitter.
Acuna
- Thread starter IslandBrave
- Start date
He was a good hitter...until last year. Last year he wasn't. The people who said he wasn't a good hitter before last year said so because he never became the huge offensive force he was capable of being. But that didn't mean he wasn't a good hitter.
We were here calling you out for being dumb. 110-120 WRC+ is good. Or do you disagree with that idea?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I'm just asking to be pointed to a discussion on your part of his expected future value. You pointed out in post #36 of this thread that players should be paid on their expected future production. I very much am in agreement with this. I'm just curious what your valuation of Heyward might have been say after the 2014 season.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Seeing Francoeur is unemployed, I guess it's Heyward.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Oh good.... another Heywood debate
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
should keep us busy until opening day
zbhargrove
Well-known member
My thoughts are simple... I'm glad he's not our starting RFer at this point. But I'm not glad Mukaki is in his place. I like Mukaki... think he's a good dude and a good leader... I just don't want him in RF any more. If he's our bench 4th OFer, great.
I'm almost certain that I've repeated many times I wanted to resign Heyward for around 15 per year. It's probably in the trade heyward thread if you'd like to fact check me.
While you guys were projecting based on statistical output (almost always more reliable) many of us would watch him hit and looked over matched consistently. We repeatedly expressed concern's over signing him to a long term deal for big dollars. These discussions happened. Don't re rewrite hsitory.
That was his output for sure. He still never seemed like a good hitter to many. Let's see how he moves forward from here. There are outliers in statistical analysis. Heyward may be one where the stats were no a reflection on his ability as a hitter.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Fair enough. So while we are on the topic, I see there is a thread on extenting Swanson. You want to chime in there on how you would value his expected future production and what kind of contract you would offer him?
So you're arguing that for the first 3429 PAs of his career, what he produced on the field wasn't a reflection of his ability as a hitter...but for his last 592 PAs, it was?
Who's rewriting history? Most of the discussion that took place is that Heyward was great but some didn't want to give him a massive deal because defense peaks early and they expected his defense to decline over the course of the contract to a point where he would be overpaid. Not that he would suddenly forget how to hit.
Many of us argued that he never learned how to hit and started getting exposed. He hasn't adjusted.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
And you guys won't change each other's mind
Understatement of the year.
It took 6 years to be exposed?
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
he wouldnt be if he played defense like Heywood.
How are those stats not a reflection of his skill as a hitter? They are entirely based on production and not projection.
It's because when presented with facts thethe goes off the rails about something not even related and makes no sense. Nobody predicted Heyward to have a crappy year at the plate in 2016. The criticism of a mega Heyward deal was that you are going to be paying him big money into his 30's when his defense is likely to decline which is where he gets a lot of his value. Not that he would suddenly forget how to hit.
People need to realize that posters like thethe and clv do not base their views on facts. Instead, they take a point of view, and then morph their interpretation of available facts to fit their point of view.
So when Heyward struggles, it is proof they were right that he wasn't a good hitter. When someone points out the facts showing Heyward was a good hitter until last season, in their heads that means the data proves the league just hadn't figured out how to exploit him yet.
Same thing when presented with the fact that pitching prospects are more risky and less valuable than hitting prospects. Any normally rational human would conclude that it's wise to invest in hitting prospects. However, since thethe is the ultimate Braves homer, and the Braves are focusing on pitching, he morphs the fact into evidence proving it's a good thing to stockpile pitching.
It is called confirmation bias, and it is completely opposite of having an intuitive and curious intellect.