Acuna

chop2chip said:
I 99% agree with the "shouldn't have called up Dansby" crowd to delay his clock, but, man, some of you fellas treat baseball like its your corporate job. It's really okay not to worry all that much about that extra $15 million in salary that John Malone may or may not have to pay six years from now.
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When it prevents my favorite team from adding another piece to a competitive team? Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and worry about that.
 
Enscheff said:
The Genius called him up, therefore, it was the correct move.
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Is Coppy really held to a genius level standard by anyone on this board? Maybe I'm just bad at taking the temperature of a room, but I think the consensus is that most of his moves have been smart and the strategy mostly sound. I think everybody would acknowledge that he's made some real (bad, bad, bad) clunkers with a few of his deals.

At the end of the day - this is year three of a massive rebuild involving the coaching staff, players, scouting, front office, and stadium. The mere fact that we should be flirting with .500 is quite remarkable, regardless of your opinion of how we got to this point.
 
Enscheff said:
When it prevents my favorite team from adding another piece to a competitive team? Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and worry about that.
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When it might*** prevent. Dansby will be 30 by then and who knows if he'll be worth a second contract at that point.

Go ahead and worry about it all you want. I just don't get it, but that's more of a me problem than a you problem. I'm more of the short term gratification sort of person.
 
chop2chip said:
Is Coppy really held to a genius level standard by anyone on this board? Maybe I'm just bad at taking the temperature of a room, but I think the consensus is that most of his moves have been smart and the strategy mostly sound. I think everybody would acknowledge that he's made some real (bad, bad, bad) clunkers with a few of his deals.

At the end of the day - this is year three of a massive rebuild involving the coaching staff, players, scouting, front office, and stadium. The mere fact that we should be flirting with .500 is quite remarkable, regardless of your opinion of how we got to this point.
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Do I really have to do a search to pull up dozens of examples of folks talking about how smart he is and giving them an A grade for the offseason?

I think he is a solidly average GM who's reputation is inflated because Dave Stewart is an idiot. Any competent GM would have the Braves projected to win 75 games in year 3 of a rebuild where many valuable MLB assets were flipped for prospects at the beginning. He hasn't done a single thing I haven't seen done by several other GMs in the last 5 years. The only move I consider remotely brilliant is the acquisition of Touki, and he isn't exactly paying huge dividends.

An above average GM wouldn't have traded for Olivera and then compounded the mistake by trading for Kemp. Wouldn't have lowered the return for Kimbrel by attaching BJ to him. Wouldn't construct quite possibly the worst 4 man bench in the history of MLB in a season where he has horrid starters at 3B, RF, and LF. Wouldn't have started the clock of a franchise player during a meaningless season that cost the team control over that player's 29 season.

He is soundly average, maybe a little below.
 
Enscheff said:
Do I really have to do a search to pull up dozens of examples of folks talking about how smart he is and giving them an A grade for the offseason?

I think he is a solidly average GM who's reputation is inflated because Dave Stewart is an idiot. Any competent GM would have the Braves projected to win 75 games in year 3 of a rebuild where many valuable MLB assets were flipped for prospects at the beginning. He hasn't done a single thing I haven't seen done by several other GMs in the last 5 years. The only move I consider remotely brilliant is the acquisition of Touki, and he isn't exactly paying huge dividends.

An above average GM wouldn't have traded for Olivera and then compounded the mistake by trading for Kemp. Wouldn't have lowered the return for Kimbrel by attaching BJ to him. Wouldn't construct quite possibly the worst 4 man bench in the history of MLB in a season where he has horrid starters at 3B, RF, and LF. Wouldn't have started the clock of a franchise player during a meaningless season that cost the team control over that player's 29 season.

He is soundly average, maybe a little below.
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No need to search - I don't care that much.

I wholeheartedly agree that the gang of John's have made some really strange (and damaging) decisions. The Olivera trade was horrendous. The Kemp trade was a weird double down that's been okay so far, but probably shouldn't have been made. I didn't love the Ian Anderson draft pick. I wish we built our farm on position players over pitching prospects. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Still - all that matters are the results. We're a team on the rise with the best (or one of the best) farm systems in baseball. The Heyward, Miller, and Upton trades appear to be real home runs. Of all the great young players we had on our team from the 2012-2014 era, it looks like he kept the right ones (Freeman and Teheran) and sold the rest at or near peak value. He's made some excellent no risk, high reward moves with the Touki and Demeritte trades.

There's a lot to be content with here even if it's not perfect. It could have been a lot worse... a lot worse.
 
Coppy's said it w/o directly saying it. He had to get this team up and going for this year. That changed things. He couldn't do the big tear down. He had to dump BJ and CJ. He hasn't gotten nearly the time or the resources Theo got.

I think he's done a really good job. Yes he got luck with the Miller trade, but he made his own luck to get in there. He did trade away a lot of talent but JUp and Heyward were only 1 year of control. WE need a lot more time to judge his drafts and international signings. But we know he's hired really good people and invested in that part of the business.

I think it's fair to disagree on pitching vs hitting but they have been very clear about focusing on young pitching. So if they get fired they can at least say they went down with their plan.

I don't think Kemp is good. But if FF and Coppy are right then maybe FF and Kemp will mash together and it will be ok.
 
chop2chip said:
Is Coppy really held to a genius level standard by anyone on this board? Maybe I'm just bad at taking the temperature of a room, but I think the consensus is that most of his moves have been smart and the strategy mostly sound. I think everybody would acknowledge that he's made some real (bad, bad, bad) clunkers with a few of his deals.

At the end of the day - this is year three of a massive rebuild involving the coaching staff, players, scouting, front office, and stadium. The mere fact that we should be flirting with .500 is quite remarkable, regardless of your opinion of how we got to this point.
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No, he's the king of the straw man.

Heck, fans on here generally aren't always as positive about the rebuild as even national writers who are paid to do this. The general consensus is that the Braves' rebuild has been a clear success. Say that on this board? You're an irrational, stupid homer who wants Coppy to raise your kids.
 
smootness said:
No, he's the king of the straw man.

Heck, fans on here generally aren't always as positive about the rebuild as even national writers who are paid to do this. The general consensus is that the Braves' rebuild has been a clear success. Say that on this board? You're an irrational, stupid homer who wants Coppy to raise your kids.
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It's a bad thing around these parts to be positive about the braves organization.
 
I can get the Swanson debate but if the Braves were gonna pay him, does it really matter when he was called up.

He'll be pretty expensive regardless.
 
Heyward said:
Why would Acuna get traded, he's borderline untouchable at this point.
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No. Swanson is borderline untouchable. Acuna is someone you don't trade unless you get great value. His general prospect grade is about a B+. So he'd be a guy you'd trade for a young position player who's established, or a vet pitcher under control. Etc.

That being said given the general Anemic situation of our OF, I would rather keep him around because odds are we'll need him sooner rather than later as I suspect Markakis to not be doing much.
 
zitothebrave said:
No. Swanson is borderline untouchable. Acuna is someone you don't trade unless you get great value. His general prospect grade is about a B+. So he'd be a guy you'd trade for a young position player who's established, or a vet pitcher under control. Etc.

That being said given the general Anemic situation of our OF, I would rather keep him around because odds are we'll need him sooner rather than later as I suspect Markakis to not be doing much.
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Given Kemp, Markakis are about done soon or traded sure.

And his stock is only rising but if theres a Donaldson, Sale type trade out there, you consider doing that yeah.
 
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