Affordable Care Act

I love how the facts are just to be accepted that the subsidies are helping those that make 400% of the poverty line above and all us schmucks with good jobs have to end up paying more than before. Wonderful.
 
thethe said:
I love how the facts are just to be accepted that the subsidies are helping those that make 400% of the poverty line above and all us schmucks with good jobs have to end up paying more than before. Wonderful.
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And you are callous for even suggesting as such!
 
Ultimately this doesn't really hurt those of us that did what we needed to do to get where we are but where does it end? How many future policies like this will be implemented that take more money out of our pockets?
 
It's absolutely baffling that we haven't switched to single payer. The supposed smart folks don't grasp that we'd spend less on health care then we do now and have more coverage and healthier folks. It's bad for big business though because the insurance companies go. Then companies like McDonalds and Monsanto have to be more open about the negative effects.
 
I would imagine big business would love to have to quit handling this aspect of their coverage. Wash their hands of the whole thing and tell folks it isn't their problem anymore.

Then again, there goes a competitive advantage vs a smaller employer.
 
Tapate50 said:
I would imagine big business would love to have to quit handling this aspect of their coverage. Wash their hands of the whole thing and tell folks it isn't their problem anymore.

Then again, there goes a competitive advantage vs a smaller employer.
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Except for the insurance companies, which are big business. Not to mention the big boys club of the rich.

Though I should add, what you're stating is all the more reason that you should realize that someone big is pulling the strings.
 
zitothebrave said:
Except for the insurance companies, which are big business. Not to mention the big boys club of the rich.

Though I should add, what you're stating is all the more reason that you should realize that someone big is pulling the strings.
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Tom Selleck is behind all this?! Damn that beautiful mustache
 
As with any socialist ideologue (and yes, I do consider folks like 57 to be socialist), all they care about is their agenda, not the people it negative affects. I found this quote from Che Guevara interesting:

"What we are saying is we have to walk the path of liberation even if this costs millions of atomic victims, because in the struggle to the death between two systems cannot countenance anything other than the final victory of socialism, or retrogression under the nuclear victory of imperialist aggression."

So I get a kick when 50 and jpx calls me "callous", because we don't want to give free handouts to the poor. But I call them callous for not being outraged that this awful laws is negatively impacting far more people than it is helping.
 
sturg33 said:
As with any socialist ideologue (and yes, I do consider folks like 57 to be socialist), all they care about is their agenda, not the people it negative affects. I found this quote from Che Guevara interesting:

"What we are saying is we have to walk the path of liberation even if this costs millions of atomic victims, because in the struggle to the death between two systems cannot countenance anything other than the final victory of socialism, or retrogression under the nuclear victory of imperialist aggression."

So I get a kick when 50 and jpx calls me "callous", because we don't want to give free handouts to the poor. But I call them callous for not being outraged that this awful laws is negatively impacting far more people than it is helping.
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I've never called you callous. Maybe crazy, but never callous. LOL.

Hey I'm just kidding and we just disagree on some things. I've been on thethe more than you, but I'll try to keep it polite.

PS--I watched Steven Soderburgh's biopic of Che Guevara and unless 57 is of Hispanic descent, I don't think he was marching with him.
 
sturg33 said:
But I call them callous for not being outraged that this awful laws is negatively impacting far more people than it is helping.
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As I've stated a few times in this thread, I am not really a fan of the ACA. My problem isn't with your (or anyone else's) criticisms of the ACA per se; it's that you (and most other detractors) seem not to admit or desire real and better health-care reform as an alternative to the ACA, but instead want no reform at all.
 
"But that's not the only indicator of an employer health insurance system "coming apart at the seams." For years, businesses have been shifting the costs for health care onto their workers by hiking employee contributions, raising deductibles, dropping spousal coverage and more. In its 2009 Employer Health Benefits Survey released six months before Obamacare became law, the Kaiser Family Foundation found the pace of cost-shifting was accelerating. As the Washington Post reported the findings from KFF:"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...n-slashing-insurance-shifting-costs-for-years
 
57Brave said:
"But that's not the only indicator of an employer health insurance system "coming apart at the seams." For years, businesses have been shifting the costs for health care onto their workers by hiking employee contributions, raising deductibles, dropping spousal coverage and more. In its 2009 Employer Health Benefits Survey released six months before Obamacare became law, the Kaiser Family Foundation found the pace of cost-shifting was accelerating. As the Washington Post reported the findings from KFF:"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...n-slashing-insurance-shifting-costs-for-years
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I wonder why... Couldn't be the exploding costs of health care. No, that's just crazy!
 
Saw this from a buddy of mine:

Younger people on facebook.. It's time we have "the talk". It's important that you pay too much for health insurance and do it right away. I'm going to be getting older and older and if you don't pay too much for your health insurance then I might have a pay a price that actually reflects my risk. But don't worry, my rates aren't going down because your rates are going up. To be "fair" the ACA created so much mandatory coverages and burdensome regulation that my rates will go up by about 47% while yours go up about 100%. If you don't understand why that's good for you and good for me and good for society then you need to quit taking those math and econ classes.
 
More Obamacare delays. Is there any accountability for these delays? Not delaying the whole thing when they had an out seems quite foolish in hindsight.
 
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