sturg33
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Weren't you the one bitching about defunding being some sort of an attack against women? You didn't mention men
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Weren't you the one bitching about defunding being some sort of an attack against women? You didn't mention men
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Are they really interested in producing it better for cheaper or are they interested in criticizing how the government does it (which usually isn't all that great to be honest) just to nudge public opinion into shutting down the government run industry in favor of a better and cheaper private version of it only to find out that it may or may not be better (and when you're just trying to be better than the government that is a pretty low bar) but it winds up costing even more, a fact which gets conveniently hidden? I don't have the figures, sturg perhaps you do, but what about government run prisons? I know they're trying to do that same thing right now with the postal service and probably will get it done some time during Trump's first term.
OK, so enlighten me.
sturg33
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I'm asking the question... is there anything that government has done better than the private sector? Is your suggestion prisons and the post office? If so, show me why. Bc off the top of my head, the post office would be a laughable example.
Because it sure ain't education and healthcare.
sturg33
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You tend to shrivel up when called out on your bull ****.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
I'm asking you about the prisons thing because I thought you might have some data on it. The postal service thing is in motion right now. My question to you is what happens when the private sector uses their government connections to take one or all of these over and they wind up being run not only not better but also not cheaper?
I agree with you on the health care thing. Education is also true but there's a lot more to it than just public vs private sector.
sturg33
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The original question was actually when has government subsidization produced better quality and cheaper? To my knowledge, never. But I'm looking for examples.
To your question - I don't like corporatism which is the government and private business making deals together... I am not a fan of all this meddling Trump is doing. But to be fair, it's been done for years. He's just more open about it
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
whatever you want to believe sturg
i remember when i was younger and thought libertarianism was like the greatest thing ever
then i experienced more in the world and got out of poli sci 1101 etc
and realized how absurd it was with the real world
and me realizing it's just a huge waste of time to listen to you pretty much spitting how the oh so great "market" will solve all problems isn't worth my time.
but hey, you can call it how you see it. it's why i love this country and why i haven't just left yet
i remember when i was younger and thought libertarianism was like the greatest thing ever
then i experienced more in the world and got out of poli sci 1101 etc
and realized how absurd it was with the real world
and me realizing it's just a huge waste of time to listen to you pretty much spitting how the oh so great "market" will solve all problems isn't worth my time.
but hey, you can call it how you see it. it's why i love this country and why i haven't just left yet
Still curious how you can afford all your travels.
Either you've earned it through a life time of work and therefore the market worked well for you. Or you inherited it and therefore you have no right to say whether or not the market works for anyone.
sturg33
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I just would love to see if you can ever actually defend your bs
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
I don't know either on your first point, though I am uber suspicious of more corporate control over these agencies and/or services. I'd be willing to look and try to be open minded as to which way was best, but I can't honestly say where the best source(s) of reliable information would be.
Neither you, nor I, nor Ron Paul for that matter like too much corporate control or government control of these things, especially in a supposedly free market economy, but whether you want to believe it or not the corporate side has been breaking the rules/law for a long time. To me IF we have to put up with any outside influence it comes down to one thing, are we gonna allow it to help the 10% who already control 90% of the wealth in this country or the 90% who only own 10% of the wealth in this country who are just trying to make a living.
For anyone who has heard of Operation Green Fire let us all know. It's kind of an old one but it's a true story that I found out about way back when it was put into practice.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
If I have a trust fund, I would love to know where it is
Would make life easier
But I don't know what that has to do with anything
And might make you want to pause why I stand for certain things if those are the 2 scenarios in play
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Sturg, you are no different in my eyes than the trump voter or Islamic fanatic that is so entrenched in their ways that it is just a huge waste of time to interact with them other than to make fun of em overall
They believe what they believe and aren't willing to change. Aka scary funadamentalists
They believe what they believe and aren't willing to change. Aka scary funadamentalists
sturg33
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Ahh yes... I'm the same as an Islamic fanatic.
I'm sorry your mad that people ask you to back your BS... you don't seem to be able to. You don't seem to understand anything about economics - as evidenced by your Obama thread. You went pretty quiet in that one.
You then don't seem to understand that subsidization allows entities to use money on other things they otherwise wouldn't have been able to (i.e. abortions)
You haven't yet been able to tell me when government subsidization has helped improve quality and decrease costs like the technology industry has. I can't wait for the NIH to find the cure for Hep C... like Gilead recently did - and then has had Bernie Sanders yell at them for charging too much money for their cures.
You don't seem to understand that running a federal deficit is theft to someone, whether it's us or future generations. It's quite selfish to support them
You don't seem to understand that guaranteeing health care for everyone implies that you are guaranteeing labor of highly specialized and skilled people (doctors)... how can you guarantee that without sacrificing liberty? I recognize that you don't care about individual liberty - but surely you can understand how what you want means someone will lose it
You suck Obama's dick but couldn't specifically name one thing you liked about his Presidency... other than some "respect to the office" diatribe. Then you laughably post statistics you probably got off a Occupy Democrats Facebook page. I suppose next you're going to tell me that he's responsible for gas prices being low.
You say Trump is a fascist but don't mention a word about Obama signing the NDAA and being the biggest war president we've ever had.
You keep feeding the liberal line of Russia manipulating the election but - per usual - you can't produce any evidence and can't even produce a consistent, coherent narrative as to why it's a problem.
You bitched for 8 years about Republicans not working to help Obama - and now you are doing precisely the same thing with Trump. Be consistent man.
That's fine if you think I'm an islamic fanatic or whatever... but I at least try to back up and explain my positions. You simply don't. You post things that are simply wrong... then someone calls you on it and you post a gif or you say you're not surprised or you say it's not worth engaging in the argument. That's fine - but own it. Like I said - you've turned into 57... probably worse bc he at least tries (and fails miserably) to make an argument.
Now post your gif of jennifer lawrence laughing or something so you can feel better about yourself.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
that's what i was looking for earlier
the same way the founding fathers wrote the 6th amendment