Affordable Care Act
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Runnin
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I'm not sure why he thought the ultimatum would work. just makes his dealmaking abilities look brutally bad. He campaigned on his business acumen being able to sell to congressman. Glad to see he's getting a taste of reality or is he? First instinct for damage control is blame Dems.
Funny thing is Trump didn't drag Ryan through the mud. Actually defending him.
Runnin
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Maybe because he knows that wherever Ryan is on this mess, he's right beside him.
And he needs Ryan to get some of what he wants done.
If the GOP elect a more conservative speaker like Gowdy there's no way Trump gets anything done.
2016:
"Lemme tell ya folks. These people are idiots. It's not that difficult. You open up the state lines and you create competition. It's a beautiful thing. But we have these people in Washington that don't know what they're doing."
2017:
"Who knew healthcare would be so complicated?"
"Lemme tell ya folks. These people are idiots. It's not that difficult. You open up the state lines and you create competition. It's a beautiful thing. But we have these people in Washington that don't know what they're doing."
2017:
"Who knew healthcare would be so complicated?"
Despite the fact that it hemorrhages money, the USPS represents a government-run enterprise that is cheaper, more reliable, and more accessible than its competitors.
GOP took money out of USPS retirement to try and help pay for Iraq War. Wasn't that the case?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Ryan used a bad process to push a truly horrible bill. On the other hand, pushing the blame onto him is letting Trump off the hook unjustly.
Trump failed every imaginable test of leadership along the way. He didn't understand the bill, couldn't articulate a coherent argument for it, couldn't sell it to the public, and couldn't sell it to his own caucus.
It was an embarrassing failure of leadership all around, which he compounded by disclaiming responsibility, blaming the minority party, and pretending he never said things that he said.
It's funny that the would-be authoritarian is not actually an effective leader.
I'm amazed Trump was still defending the bill not just once but multiple times after it got watered down.
Art of the Deal says don't show desperation but the fact he kept pushing a bill that by even his standards was garbage is mind boggling.
Art of the Deal says don't show desperation but the fact he kept pushing a bill that by even his standards was garbage is mind boggling.
Runnin
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But not surprising. Trump's own words explain it better than anything, "Just shows that you can have all the cards and lose if you don't know what you're doing."
Btw, I believe the #1 issue now according to polls is health care.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
if democrats don't learn tying bad ideas to him as soon as possible
so that insecure piece of **** panics
then this is a bigger loss
his whole mantra is selling himself as a success (which we know is bull****)
so, if you want to go against him, pin any and all bad ideas (like this rich tax cut disguised as healthcare) as his ideas
Runnin
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Apparently he didn't understand the bill well enough to even negotiate with the Congress members he called to the WH. I suspect that's the real reason he called an end to negotiations. He quickly tired of having to display his ignorance on the subject.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
sturg, BTW I asked my sister who is in medical research about the NIH cuts that I decried but you weren't that concerned about. She says that NIH works on things like vaccines because private industry won't because it's a one-off with no on-going stream of revenue and that NIH funds out-of-the-box projects with some promise that private industry won't pursue because of the relative uncertainty of success. She also thinks that all this whining about the medical device tax in the ACA is a crock. All it does is pad the bottom line and does nothing to promote innovation.
57Brave
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Trump now has the standing to go down in history as the one who made health care sustainable.
A coalition of (D) and moderate (R) could do it.
I doubt he planned it this way but the Freedom Caucus is politically/electorially boxed in. The TParty Caucus has boxed themselves in and what is left is a majority coalition.
Will be interesting to see this play out
Heidi PrzybylaVerified account @HeidiPrzybyla 16h16 hours ago
Heidi Przybyla Retweeted Maggie Haberman
Thing is ... Dems have said all along they're ready to deal on fixing Obamacare -- and actually have ideas on how to do so.
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Or he goes down as the dick that cut Meals on Wheels monies
A coalition of (D) and moderate (R) could do it.
I doubt he planned it this way but the Freedom Caucus is politically/electorially boxed in. The TParty Caucus has boxed themselves in and what is left is a majority coalition.
Will be interesting to see this play out
Heidi PrzybylaVerified account @HeidiPrzybyla 16h16 hours ago
Heidi Przybyla Retweeted Maggie Haberman
Thing is ... Dems have said all along they're ready to deal on fixing Obamacare -- and actually have ideas on how to do so.
................
Or he goes down as the dick that cut Meals on Wheels monies
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
He has an opportunity. And I see it as a test of the campaign-era rhetoric used to sell him to skeptics: he's non-ideological, he's a populist, he's not really a Republican, etc.
Democrats are going to have to ask themselves some tough questions about whether or not they're capable of assembling a governing coalition with enough staying power to get anything bigger and more lasting done in the future (I'm not optimistic about that).
It's also going to be complicated by '18 electoral politics.
Democrats are going to have to ask themselves some tough questions about whether or not they're capable of assembling a governing coalition with enough staying power to get anything bigger and more lasting done in the future (I'm not optimistic about that).
It's also going to be complicated by '18 electoral politics.
57Brave
Well-known member
The "Hassert Rule" where (R) votes as a bloc ?
This might be opening moderate (R) found to break out of that
'18 electoral politics. Remember who came out on top (popular vote) and look at vote totals in districts that pushed Trumps Electoal College number over the top
Perhaps the biggest mistake Trump has made so far is thinking he has a mandate. Kinda like Bush43 and SS in 05
(D) has ads coming out today.
My understanding is the consultants that made Sanders a national figure are running (D) outreach/ door knockers
This is doable for them