Affordable Community College

Hawk said:
I agree with this -- I'm a huge proponent of truly well-rounded education ... and liberal arts has proven itself to be the foundation for one. We should be pushing this deeper at the High School level, though.
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Pretty much unequivocally; it's a massive failing for the US, whose university-level education system is amongst the best in the world, that its primary- and secondary-level education is so thoroughly mediocre.

Hawk said:
We also shouldn't forget those who [...] are saddled up to the eyeballs in student loans
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It'd be pretty damn hard for me to forget.
 
57Brave said:
After the past couple years you don't think young white people could use a little more Anthropological knowledge ? That surprises me
We have a chunk of the population that doubt our involvment in climate change. I tend to think a society with more understanding of chemistry would understand the issue better

It's not all about having careers.
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As to what jobs would be enhanced / required by having an Anthropological background -- policing ?
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Police Officer, well, yeah, but that is what you receive in school if you chose that field, it shouldn't be required. What I am saying we take unnecessary classes, too polluted is the right word. This is the reason why Japanese, Chinese and Germans lap us in fields, because they are not required to take superfluous classes in the field of study they want to go into.

Chemistry is not easy for a lot of people, the chemical compositions alone will scare most people. Anthropology is a lot of reading and boring to those who don't like studying human dynamics with their surroundings/environment, so why force them to learn about something they will never use?

I am not arguing with you, I do somewhat agree with your thinking but our lives are finite so we can only get so much out of it, so why not use it to its fullest on what gives you the best chance at living life to its fullest?
 
The fact that everyone is calling this "free" makes me feel that it is more economics we should be pushing before anthropology or chemistry...
 
why ?

Really -- no science education -- where a basic understanding of Chemistry explains the basic everything from the composition of our bodies to what makes the birdies fly
 
They don't do this in high school but they should.

Economics
Accounting (Budget processing)
Family Planning
Sex Education (well the part of "oops" and the ramifications of it)
 
acesfull86 said:
Because nothing is free, certainly not 2 years of tuition for thousands(?) of students.
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Yes, because the teacher's union would have a fit if we don't pay the teachers for free education when most of the states are in the red.

Money is the issue and you can't force business to pay the already supposed high taxes now and if we push them, they send jobs overseas.

There has to be a balance but neither side want to budge on how to fix it. I hate to say Communism is not a bad notion on something this badly out of whack.
 
acesfull86 said:
Because nothing is free, certainly not 2 years of tuition for thousands(?) of students.
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Nothing is free huh ? How cute

We do it for football players at 4 year schools. Why not ...

We've done it since WWII with the GI Bill

The money is out there. It is being done at a smaller level. Why not expand education -- because some CEO needs a new boat? Or it's "hard" to figure out.

Seems to be a common refrain on this forum "it's too hard"
All we have heard so far is why we can't or shouldn't

Perhaps a little more Liberal Arts training to some of you would teach that things are not impossible and how to think out of the box / problem solve.
 
57Brave said:
Nothing is free huh ? How cute

We do it for football players at 4 year schools. Why not ...

We've done it since WWII with the GI Bill

The money is out there. It is being done at a smaller level. Why not expand education -- because some CEO needs a new boat? Or it's "hard" to figure out.

Seems to be a common refrain on this forum "it's too hard"
All we have heard so far is why we can't or shouldn't

Perhaps a little more Liberal Arts training to some of you would teach that things are not impossible and how to think out of the box / problem solve.
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I don't think JC/tech schools give free education to athletes, I know for a fact they don't here or even the university since they are Div III.
 
57Brave said:
Nothing is free huh ? How cute

We do it for football players at 4 year schools. Why not ...

We've done it since WWII with the GI Bill

The money is out there. It is being done at a smaller level. Why not expand education -- because some CEO needs a new boat? Or it's "hard" to figure out.

Seems to be a common refrain on this forum "it's too hard"
All we have heard so far is why we can't or shouldn't

Perhaps a little more Liberal Arts training to some of you would teach that things are not impossible and how to think out of the box / problem solve.
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How can you force a CEO to pay money to the school? We already have one of the highest tax rates in the world (not governing it is an issue I admit) and then them taking their jobs to another country when we do squeeze them on taxes.

What can an American do? There isn't anything we can do except not buy the product or service but the problem with that, it would costs jobs.

You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. It is what it is.
 
it is seriously insane that people don't want CC to be "free" or super affordable for people wanting to go. seriously, seriously, insane. seriously.

again - i've never used the fire company! why am i paying for it?!?!?!?!
 
yeezus said:
it is seriously insane that people don't want CC to be "free" or super affordable for people wanting to go. seriously, seriously, insane. seriously.

again - i've never used the fire company! why am i paying for it?!?!?!?!
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It's not that.

Do you want the teachers to teach for free?

I bet they won't.
 
"Student" athletes are paid for from revenues from the sport and alumni investors. How is that anything like what is being discussed in this thread?
 
57Brave said:
Nothing is free huh ? How cute

We do it for football players at 4 year schools. Why not ...

We've done it since WWII with the GI Bill

The money is out there. It is being done at a smaller level. Why not expand education -- because some CEO needs a new boat? Or it's "hard" to figure out.

Seems to be a common refrain on this forum "it's too hard"
All we have heard so far is why we can't or shouldn't

Perhaps a little more Liberal Arts training to some of you would teach that things are not impossible and how to think out of the box / problem solve.
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You can call it "cute"... that doesn't make it false.

I'm not even commenting on whether we should or shouldn't enact the program, I'm just saying call it what it is. It's not free, it's paid for by taxpayers, so why not call it that? Is it because the truth will garner less support than selling it to the ignorant as " free!"?

BTW thanks for the advice, but I'll put my amount of "liberal arts training" up against anyone else's
 
He thinks we should be taxed more to pay for someone else education.

I think most states are in the red and Illinois definitely can't afford it. Heck they don't bring in enough to pay their state workers or their pensions.
 
57Brave said:
the proposed legislation that inspired the conversation is posted above
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The article talks about how the government will pay for it. It doesn't talk about where the government is getting hte money from to pay for it.
 
You were talking about 4 year universities and they said nothing about that.

I can see Wisconsin can afford it, but states like Illinois cannot.
 
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