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This could be the opportune time for Democrats to begin to angle toward universal healthcare. Instead of digging in here and wearing the obstructionist label, state a willingness to work improve the ACA to bring healthcare to ALL Americans. I don't expect Republicans will bite (although I still hang on to a sliver of hope that Trump flips), thus making healthcare a hot button issue in 2018/20. Based on how how Bernie's message resounded in this past election, I think it could very well be a winning message. Democrats need to organize around a classic people's party platform with populist undertones. The country is screaming for it.
Gillibrand is already hyping Single payer train.
Medicare for all currently polls 65/35.
Single payer wins polling vs. current system or Obamacare. A state like WV supports it. It's possible.
57Brave
Well-known member
Read Chait's assessment:
In truth, it was never possible to reconcile public standards for a humane health-care system with conservative ideology. In a pure market system, access to medical care will be unaffordable for a huge share of the public. Giving them access to quality care means mobilizing government power to redistribute resources, either through direct tax and transfers or through regulations that raise costs for the healthy and lower them for the sick. Obamacare uses both methods, and both are utterly repugnant and unacceptable to movement conservatives. That commitment to abstract anti-government dogma, without any concern for the practical impact, is the quality that makes the Republican Party unlike right-of-center governing parties in any other democracy. In no other country would a conservative party develop a plan for health care that every major industry stakeholder calls completely unworkable.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...lapsed-because-republicans-cannot-govern.html
cajunrevenge
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This is a moment I have been waiting for for a long time. I have been telling Republican family/friends/co-workers that they will never repeal Obamacare. Even if Romney won it would always be "reformed" and never eliminated. Whole lot of "told you so's" coming up.
sturg33
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People acting like the world is going to end with a repeal are wrong as usual.
Can the left EVER make an argument that isn't emotional?
ACA doesn't work. Even the left has admitted that. Why don't you repeal it and work on something better? Stop trying to polish a turd ("reform" I think is the government word)
Can the left EVER make an argument that isn't emotional?
ACA doesn't work. Even the left has admitted that. Why don't you repeal it and work on something better? Stop trying to polish a turd ("reform" I think is the government word)
57Brave
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you act as if this is fantasy baseball where only the stats and numbers are in play.
Disregarding the concept that the game is actually played on a field,by people, with a ball that hurts when it hits you. There are rocks in the infield causing bad hops and winds that effect the flight of the balls. Thrown and batted
That was Chait's point, if you read the article.
Conservatism works fine on paper. It is the political equivalent of fantasy baseball . Useful ideas and constructive data to be taken into account but --
Real life --- not so much.
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"Can the left EVER make an argument that isn't emotional?"
Emotional is a bad thing when discussing people lives ?
Methinks you've been reading too much Breitbart where compassion is viewed as a weakness and uber white masculinity is the norm.
Disregarding the concept that the game is actually played on a field,by people, with a ball that hurts when it hits you. There are rocks in the infield causing bad hops and winds that effect the flight of the balls. Thrown and batted
That was Chait's point, if you read the article.
Conservatism works fine on paper. It is the political equivalent of fantasy baseball . Useful ideas and constructive data to be taken into account but --
Real life --- not so much.
............................................
"Can the left EVER make an argument that isn't emotional?"
Emotional is a bad thing when discussing people lives ?
Methinks you've been reading too much Breitbart where compassion is viewed as a weakness and uber white masculinity is the norm.
sturg33
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I've noticed this is the new argument from the left. "You must be watching fox news or reading breitbart."
I do neither. I have a mind of my own.
Stop acting like the world is going to an end to go back to a system we had not 5 years ago.
It will be OK. It will be better for the country as a whole. Save your example of a random sick child - I've heard them all.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
hey, the world won't end if we go back to a system that killed people cause they couldn't get health insurance or healthcare for their problems
hey, i have my own mind although all my arguments and talking points are easily found and by a huge coincide the same by just looking up drudge headlines
lol
hey, i have my own mind although all my arguments and talking points are easily found and by a huge coincide the same by just looking up drudge headlines
lol
sturg33
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Since you are checking drudge daily, feel free to post some of those headlines for those of us who never view it.
I'd love for you to provide me some examples of doctors letting patients die because of lack of insurance. I bet there's millions if your hysteria is well founded.
57Brave
Well-known member
Senators voting to stop Trumpcare represent 36 million more people than the ones who didn’t
It must be nice to live in a democracy.
Tuesday afternoon, senators split 50–50 on a motion to proceed to debate an as-yet-undetermined plan to strip health coverage from an unknown number of Americans. Vice President Mike Pence, who received fewer votes than his Democratic opponent in 2016, cast the tie-breaking vote in favor of the motion.
https://thinkprogress.org/senators-...e-people-than-the-ones-who-didnt-4d2170ba1385
It must be nice to live in a democracy.
Tuesday afternoon, senators split 50–50 on a motion to proceed to debate an as-yet-undetermined plan to strip health coverage from an unknown number of Americans. Vice President Mike Pence, who received fewer votes than his Democratic opponent in 2016, cast the tie-breaking vote in favor of the motion.
https://thinkprogress.org/senators-...e-people-than-the-ones-who-didnt-4d2170ba1385
CK86
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The GOP have no ideas on what to repeal it with aside from making things significantly worse. That is the problem. I would love for them to have a bill that either fixed the ACA or a plan that didn't seem like it was just thrown together with no idea of what they're trying to accomplish. They have no turd to polish, instead they brought us a dumpster of diarrhea. Yay GOP!
CK86
Awaiting a Promotion
I will be working to vote his ass out the next time he's up for re-election for precisely this reason. 100% voting record with Trump yet always "troubled" or "deeply disturbed".
