AJC: Braves Could Go Into Rebuild Mode, Aim Toward 2017
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Heyward
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Whats the use of trading them if we wont get a good haul?
A couple marginal players for both does nothing.
Im not saying get a Tex type deal or Trout but there would need to be some blue-chip/chips types coming back if we're dealing them.
A couple marginal players for both does nothing.
Im not saying get a Tex type deal or Trout but there would need to be some blue-chip/chips types coming back if we're dealing them.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Maybe the demands of each player would be so financially onerous that negotiations really are an intractable proposition, at least at this time, but the organization's general posture vis-à-vis retaining Heyward long-term—with Wren, but now much more with Hart—doesn't make it appear that they intend to do everything they reasonably can to extent him (or Upton, for that matter).
And—not that you're suggesting otherwise, but just by way of elaborating my point—offering some ~$15-million per season, take-it-or-leave deal is not reasonable; that's an undersell to either player, both in terms of the salaries of the Braves roster and the current economic climate in baseball.
Tapate50
Well-known member
is that what we offered?
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I don't know exactly what the Braves have offered—only that it's purportedly substantially below the ~$200-million total value his agent is apparently pushing for (and which the market dictates he can probably fairly easily obtain). My only point in throwing that out there was, as I said, to elaborate the point that there's a huge gap between "making an offer" and "making a reasonable effort to resign," and thus it's no so black-and-white as "they can't force anyone to sign anything."
I think this rebuilding stuff is just media hype. We don't want to lose Jason or Justin for only a draft pick. But the main way to fix this team is to give up Kimbrel. With Shae Simmon, Jaime, Walden, etc trying to close plus what we could get for Kimbrel, we'd be a much better team. As mentioned earlier I'd give up Kimbrel and maybe even thrown in some money just to be rid of BJ. Then I'd overpay Harang on a 2-3 year deal. Resign Medlen and Beachy. Who knows, we might even be able to use one of them as a closer by year end.
According to whom exactly? There have been exactly 8 players in the history of baseball to receive 200 million dollar contracts. And Heyward does not match up well with any of those 8 players. Unless Heyward has break through season offensively, 200 million is a pretty unrealistic figure and one the Braves should rightfully decline.
Heyward and Justin are likely gone 1 yr from now anyways. All you're doing by keeping them is giving it 1 more run with basically the same team that finished below .500 this yr. Except this yr you have to replace the production from Harang, Santana, and Floyd.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
how did Floyd get put in the "replace production" category? 9 starts and 2-2 with nearly a 4era shouldn't be tough to replace
anyway, it's pretty much the same team that won the NL east the year before
would rather keep Justin and Heyward and give it a shot. **** this total rebuild **** unless it is getting rid of our manager, our gm that isn't the gm, Bobby Cox and JS
Your stats are wrong on Floyd, as he had a 2.65 ERA with us this yr. Even if it was only 9 starts, it's still relevant innings that gave to be replaced.
And 2013 team had Huddy (for most of the yr), a healthy Medlen, and Brian McCann. So not really similar at all.
I would rather compete in 2015 as well. But with our payroll being where it is and the unwillingness from with our front office or the players' agents to negotiate a reasonable contract, then "rebuilding" for a yr or two may be the best option. Again, it isn't like we would have no talent. Keep Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrell, JT, and Wood as a solid core. Could also use the saved money to sign several cheaper vets to bridge the gap. Depending on the talent we get back in trades, we may be back on top sooner than expected.
And 2013 team had Huddy (for most of the yr), a healthy Medlen, and Brian McCann. So not really similar at all.
I would rather compete in 2015 as well. But with our payroll being where it is and the unwillingness from with our front office or the players' agents to negotiate a reasonable contract, then "rebuilding" for a yr or two may be the best option. Again, it isn't like we would have no talent. Keep Freeman, Simmons, Kimbrell, JT, and Wood as a solid core. Could also use the saved money to sign several cheaper vets to bridge the gap. Depending on the talent we get back in trades, we may be back on top sooner than expected.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
No more than the Royals at the start of the 2014 season were constructed to beat the Tigers or the Giants at the start of 2014 were constructed to beat the Dodgers.
Don't think that's the right question. The right question to me is does the team have a realistic chance to get one of the lottery tickets to the playoffs, even the wild card. And I think the answer is yes. But with respect to individual trades, the question should be is the return good enough. As long as it is (even if a chunk of that return is spread over future years) I do the trade, even if it involves my favorite player.
Tapate50
Well-known member
That is better, thanks.
I guess I'm not as positive with this manager and the offensive performance we just put up "as currently configured" I think it's a long shot.
Chances are we cant replicate the pitching we got this year.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
We got no food, we got no jobs, our pets' heads are falling off!
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Regression makes it likely that our pitching will not be as good as in 2014 and our hitting will not be as bad.
My impression is that the team's Plan A at the moment is to go with an outfield of Gattis, Heyward and Justin. They are willing to listen to offers for all of those guys, but I don't think there is any sort of fire sale. Imo the things we have to get done this season are: 1) to pick up a starting pitcher to slot in with Minor, Teheran and Wood, with Hale the #5 and 2) to move one of the BJ/CJ contracts (probably not in its entirety). That second priority is less important for 2015 than it is for creating some payroll flexibility in 2016 and 2017.
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
I disagree, one of the things that Hart among others have mentioned many times this offseason was that we needed to get more athletic at more positions, and doing this would be the direct opposite when you consider that over a 162 game season that outfield defense would be atrocious. Heyward would be fine in CF but Justin would be a slightly below average RF and Gattis would be well below average in left, just don't envision this is what the Braves want going forward.
And yes we had a number of years where we hid Klesko in left and had our best years but we also had the best CF of all time in Andruw who could cover the most ground of anyone along with guys like Grissom and Lofton for the short term, along with an average average RF whether it be Justice, Dye, Jordan, Tucker, & Gerald Williams.
That's all they've ever done since 2000. So, most of the goofballs here have never gone through a total rebuild. No matter what direction, at least this and Twitter allows the opportunity for them to express their feelings.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
That's my read going into the off-season. I think a ton of things would have to go right for us to contend, especially with the pressing need to find 400 IP for the starting rotation. It can be done, but we better start breeding rabbits because we are going to have to pull more than a few out of hats in 2015 to challenge.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Rebuild away. Tinkering ain't getting them anywhere.
cajunrevenge
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a lot of people said that going into the 2014 season too.