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So maybe it's semantics. Obviously I'd trade him for Trout. But he's untouchable for any likely real world deal.

Yes, it's semantics. He should be untouchable for any realistic deal. He's a guy who could legit be a 4-5 WAR 2B for us for quite some time, you don't trade that unless you have a very good replacement (we don't) and are getting a legit Ace or middle order bat signed long term at a position of need. He should be staying put.
 
I'd be willing to bet Albies posts a higher fWAR than both Swanson and Inciarte next year (barring injury).

Albies should be untouchable. He always should have been untouchable. I'll definitely ignore clv's brilliant player value analysis though, considering his past track record.

I agree 100% and said such when he was in Rome! There should have been no doubt...unless you never watched him in person or simply chose to slight him on Hart's half azz support of Ozzie.
 
I loved the high five at the plate yesterday after the hr. He had to jump to get to the high 5.

Very fun player to watch.

His base stealing fundamentals and jumps do not look great. The braves are the death of base stealers
 
With his power developing, Albies reminds me more and more of Jose Altuve, even down to the fact that both are undersized. That doesn't mean Albies is ever going to become the MVP candidate Altuve has been the last two years, but Albies looks like he could very well be Altuve circa 2015.

In 2015, Altuve hit .313 with a .353 OBP and slugged .459 while hitting 15 HRs and swiping 38 bags.

Albies may never steal 38 (especially not in this organization) but I could see him becoming a guy who consistently hits .300+ with 10-15 HRs and an OPS in the low to mid .800s while still stealing a respectable number of bases.
 
Just wanted to remind folks of this gem

No chance that they take that IMO.

I think the idea of trying to pry him away fairly cheaply to help them dump salary makes some sense (on the surface, at least), but they surely aren't crazy enough to give him up for "nothing". I can't imagine that they'd give him up for something other than younger guys/prospects - even if they're not highly thought of - have to at least have the possibility of contributing at some point.

Try this offer...

Albies, Wisler, Ruiz, and Bartolo for Prado and Dee Gordon.

Gordon replaces Albies long-term, and getting Bartolo off the books this year pays for one of the guys we add. More or less breaks down to Wisler and Ruiz for Prado, Albies for Gordon, and the Fish take Big Sexy's money to make it work for us financially - PLUS we get the benefit of plugging Newcomb/Sims into the rotation for the rest of the season to get their feet wet. We could even include Dat Dude if they want to hold off on Albies until next spring.
 
If Heyward keeps struggling offensively I'd see if the Cubs would eat his salary and bring him here. His swing is still fixable. Problem is I don't trust anyone in our system to fix it. I could fix his swing in 5 minutes.

An Acuna-Inciarte-Heyward outfield could be really good defensively.
 
If Heyward keeps struggling offensively I'd see if the Cubs would eat his salary and bring him here. His swing is still fixable. Problem is I don't trust anyone in our system to fix it. I could fix his swing in 5 minutes.

An Acuna-Inciarte-Heyward outfield could be really good defensively.

if we could get him for what we're paying nick, then fine. more than that and no way. guy can't hit anymore.
 
I would take Heyward back at a discounted rate... I love a solid defensive club. Acuna/Ender/Heyward/Ozzie/Swanson/FF are all above average defenders.. add Flowers pitch framing and Jo-Gun/Rio platoon and that is an above average defensive club.. which should help our pitching develop properly.
 
Just wanted to remind folks of this gem

Well, I don't agree with Clv on much of anything and at the time of the quoted post and now, I think the above proposal was not good, no real fit or goal, detrimental both short and long term. I will however take up for him a bit because at least he had the guts to put his thoughts out for all to see. Too many on this board appear to be willing to sit back and slam the posts and thoughts of others but not be willing to post and defend what they would do instead.

It's easy to be a permanent critic when you never open yourself to criticism.

So, yeah, dumb trade idea. But, good on Clv for being willing to go out on a limb.
 
Well, I don't agree with Clv on much of anything and at the time of the quoted post and now, I think the above proposal was not good, no real fit or goal, detrimental both short and long term. I will however take up for him a bit because at least he had the guts to put his thoughts out for all to see. Too many on this board appear to be willing to sit back and slam the posts and thoughts of others but not be willing to post and defend what they would do instead.

It's easy to be a permanent critic when you never open yourself to criticism.

So, yeah, dumb trade idea. But, good on Clv for being willing to go out on a limb.
Many people on here open themselves up. I can't totally agree with this post. The point is to interject thought provoking discussion. Some people just go further than others.
 
Well, I don't agree with Clv on much of anything and at the time of the quoted post and now, I think the above proposal was not good, no real fit or goal, detrimental both short and long term. I will however take up for him a bit because at least he had the guts to put his thoughts out for all to see. Too many on this board appear to be willing to sit back and slam the posts and thoughts of others but not be willing to post and defend what they would do instead.

It's easy to be a permanent critic when you never open yourself to criticism.

So, yeah, dumb trade idea. But, good on Clv for being willing to go out on a limb.

Well, I don't agree with Harry much... but in this case he is correct. I know I am much more careful about how I word things after having been ridiculed a few times a while back. I should be willing to go out on a limb a little more often.
 
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