Alex Wood To DL

bravesfanMatt said:
Wood could come in and shoot kershaw in the head and the trade is what it is. It doesn't change players value at time of trade. Just like HO could hit a woman and get suspended and oh wait.
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HO hits women better than he does baseballs. Alex could never pitch again and HO could have never hit that woman and it's still a bad trade because HO is bad baseball player.
 
Heyward said:
It was a horrible trade, no one can defend that trade.

All GM's make mistakes in all sports, just the way it goes.

But im sure it makes you happy to bash the FO.
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It's not as prevalent right now but the mindset that this FO is untouchable is/way annoying. Nobody is beyond criticism but 18 months ago you would have thought that to not be true. The FO has done some work in rebuilding the farm and hopefully getting us back in a good spot. But it's far from a guarantee and huge misjudgements like this one shouldn't be taken lightly.
 
Heyward said:
Urias was called up and he'll pitch Saturday.

Kershaw on Friday, Urias on Saturday, fun fun.
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Kershaw is the best pitcher of his generation. On the path to rival Pedro and Maddux as the best pitchers I've ever seen. Odds that we get no hit have to be pretty high.
 
clvclv said:
Sad that some idiots think that's what the thread is about - particularly since no one has posted anything of the sort. Yet another example of you trying to put words in someone else's mouth. Keep trying troll.

It's news - plain and simple, and bad news for a good kid (and personal favorite since he grew up less than 90 miles from here).

The biggest news about it - since YOU brought it up - is that no matter how much you want to hate on the current regime, they're right in trying to continue to stockpile arms - no matter how bad your offense is. Cheap arms and established bats is pretty much the only way small- and mid-market teams can compete. If huge chunks of your payroll are committed to players who are "one pitch away" and you don't have multiple inexpensive options available behind them, you're screwed.

I've always been (and still am) fine with contenders blowing the budget for an "Ace" or a "star" - if he's the last piece. However, if your other important support pieces are Pitchers with injury histories that you can't easily replace, you're playing with fire. The Dodgers gambled and lost on Beachy, the Royals have gambled and lost on Medlen and Minor to this point. If they want to stay in the race, they're going to have to eventually empty their farm systems because there aren't any free-agent arms to buy in June.
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If that is how you want to spin it

I guess I should expect you to start a thread every time a pitcher hits the DL then?
 
sturg33 said:
If that is how you want to spin it

I guess I should expect you to start a thread every time a pitcher hits the DL then?
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When it happens to one that we're supposed to face in the next series and no one else has mentioned it? Absolutely. Why wouldn't I?

As much as you love to look for hidden agendas, there simply isn't one to be found here. I happened to be sitting at my computer when the news was tweeted yesterday, so I mentioned it since no one else had. Looked like information someone else might like to know. Until this point, you haven't seen any mention of Hart, Coppy, Olivera, the trade, or that Wood's career is over that you can attribute to me. Well, maybe you do - but it wouldn't be the first time since you've got some personal axe to grind with me, now would it???

Do you seriously consider the things you say when you try to take shots at me? If you honestly believe I'm gloating over Wood's injury, why didn't I start threads about Beachy flaming out, Medlen going on the DL, or Minor having a setback? Where are THOSE threads??? It's a huge stretch for you to grasp, I understand, but could there be just a sliver of a chance that none of those things had ANYTHING to do with the Braves so I simply left them alone? Your personal issues with me are so obvious - and they add absolutely nothing to ANY discussion. I've asked several times, but will ask once more...

If you wholeheartedly disagree with everything I post, why am I not on your ignore list?
 
thewupk said:
Kershaw is the best pitcher of his generation. On the path to rival Pedro and Maddux as the best pitchers I've ever seen. Odds that we get no hit have to be pretty high.
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Didn't the Braves get like 10 hits off of him earlier in the season already...they didn't score much, but I thought they did at least hit him.
 
Heyward said:
It was a horrible trade, no one can defend that trade.

All GM's make mistakes in all sports, just the way it goes.

But im sure it makes you happy to bash the FO.
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Well, you know, Coppy isn't a faithful follower of all things Billy Beane, so he must be trash.
 
KB21 said:
Well, you know, Coppy isn't a faithful follower of all things Billy Beane, so he must be trash.
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Come on. The trade was awful. Almost everyone said so when it happened. Dodgers were considered the winners by most people.

They thought they were getting a middle of order bat at 3B at a discount price. And they were wrong from day 1. And then it got worse. Now he's a 5, 6, 7 hitter. Now he's a 7th hitter. Now he can't play 3rd. Now he is just an extra guy. Now he's arrested. Then Paco had TJ before throwing a pitch for us. Bird can't put it together.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Come on. The trade was awful. Almost everyone said so when it happened. Dodgers were considered the winners by most people.

They thought they were getting a middle of order bat at 3B at a discount price. And they were wrong from day 1. And then it got worse. Now he's a 5, 6, 7 hitter. Now he's a 7th hitter. Now he can't play 3rd. Now he is just an extra guy. Now he's arrested. Then Paco had TJ before throwing a pitch for us. Bird can't put it together.
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Yep. They touted how Olivera was a terrific hitter who would anchor the middle of the lineup and solve our third base problem for years. I think the predictions I heard were that he'd hit around .300 with 20 HRs a year. I even heard hype about his speed.

However, anyone actually watching Olivera these days for more than a showcase workout will instantly see that his swing is terrible, he has no power, and he has a lead glove. There was a reason the Dodgers got rid of him. They got to see him up close and saw he was terrible. So they bailed on him the first chance they got to sucker a team into taking him.
 
striker42 said:
Yep. They touted how Olivera was a terrific hitter who would anchor the middle of the lineup and solve our third base problem for years. I think the predictions I heard were that he'd hit around .300 with 20 HRs a year. I even heard hype about his speed.

However, anyone actually watching Olivera these days for more than a showcase workout will instantly see that his swing is terrible, he has no power, and he has a lead glove. There was a reason the Dodgers got rid of him. They got to see him up close and saw he was terrible. So they bailed on him the first chance they got to sucker a team into taking him.
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To be fair... The Dodgers also ate about $30M, so there was a big cost to getting rid of him. If the Braves had signed him and then ate $30M to get rid of him, we would be just as upset as we are now, and getting Wood and Peraza would not really soften the blow much. We are not the only ones to make a bad decision here..... (not justifying it by any means, just looking at the big picture).
 
I think if SAV ever wanted to cast this message board to re-enact the history of the Braves, Sturg would play Frank Wren, and clvclv would play the Johns.
 
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