ANDRELTON SIMMONS for ALL STAR

[zitothebrave]

Went and looked up Andrew on fangraphs, cant stop drooling. Its weird that his defense went from Andrelton in 08 to average in 09 with the Dodgers. What did he do gain 200 pounds in one offseason?

Druw had back and knee issues. IIRC he had some weird knee injury in 08 with the Dodgers. But he also showed up 20 pounds overweight. I do think that had to do with his injuries though. I imagine it hurt his offseason work out and he's a man who likes his fattening foods. It's a shame how he aged. From 96-2007 he was a hall of fame level player. Bonds and A-Fraud were the 2 best of that era. Druw was in the Mix with Chipper, Rolen, Jeter, Edmonds, Thome, and Pudge. Depending on what you value.

 

[The Tariff King]

Druw had back and knee issues. IIRC he had some weird knee injury in 08 with the Dodgers. But he also showed up 20 pounds overweight. I do think that had to do with his injuries though. I imagine it hurt his offseason work out and he's a man who likes his fattening foods. It's a shame how he aged. From 96-2007 he was a hall of fame level player. Bonds and A-Fraud were the 2 best of that era. Druw was in the Mix with Chipper, Rolen, Jeter, Edmonds, Thome, and Pudge. Depending on what you value.

It's why I have no doubts Druw will go into Cooperstown one day. Unfortunately may take a few years. More Saber writers will be amongst voters and druw's defense will be looked at and Be
appreciated more. I think he's already appreciated by baseball
purists as it is. 2007 was a pretty rough year for druw IIRC.

 

[zitothebrave]

07 was rough offensively, but strong defensively. He was still a productive player.

 

[Knucksie]

Others candidates? Freeman, Miller

Can't believe that this tidbit was overlooked from MLBTR:

The Cardinals “will rue the day they made that trade” of Shelby Miller and prospect Tyrell Jenkins for Jason Heyward and Jorden Walden, in the words of one scout. Heyman feels this is a bit of a stretch, even though Miller has been outstanding for the Braves and Heyward has struggled for the Cards (and Walden is on the DL).

 

[GovClintonTyree]

Can't believe that this tidbit was overlooked from MLBTR:

I was one of the few who liked the deal (from a baseball standpoint) from the jump. I saw Shelby in September and knew he'd found something- in this case, a sinker that gave him the one more pitch he needed to keep them off his fastball. Then I saw some tape on Jenkins and got a woodie.

I loved Jason, but knew this was a good deal.

We bent the Cards over, straight up. And somebody's got a lot of work to do to fix Heyward.

 

[keithlaw]

Can't believe that this tidbit was overlooked from MLBTR:

Well they did owe us for the Drew/Wainwright deal

 

[thethe]

I was one of the few who liked the deal (from a baseball standpoint) from the jump. I saw Shelby in September and knew he'd found something- in this case, a sinker that gave him the one more pitch he needed to keep them off his fastball. Then I saw some tape on Jenkins and got a woodie.

I loved Jason, but knew this was a good deal.

We bent the Cards over, straight up. And somebody's got a lot of work to do to fix Heyward.

Heyward is slowly rounding into form. He is having a good May and I would expect it to continue. However, he is still not showing the power that everyone expects him to have. Give me 4 years of Miller and Jenkins over 1 year of Heyward plus a pick any day of the week.

 

[Knucksie]

Well they did owe us for the Drew/Wainwright deal

Doubt that their motivation. It had more to do with them losing a projected starting OF in an off-season auto accident. Still, the Cards probably will rue losing Miller. So, it's nice for this forum to view a transaction from a positive perspective...for a change.

 

[thewupk]

Heyward is slowly rounding into form. He is having a good May and I would expect it to continue. However, he is still not showing the power that everyone expects him to have. Give me 4 years of Miller and Jenkins over 1 year of Heyward plus a pick any day of the week.

He hasn't been the same since getting hit in the face. It's sad.