zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
There's been 40 school shootings in the US this year.
Another School Shooting Today
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There's been 40 school shootings in the US this year.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Mass shootings is what I said. It happens more than it should, so I don't want to belittle it, but it's silly to freak out about it. But clearly it's a big enough problem where we need to figure out what's going on. Maybe better psychological care.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
Don't have it in me to care any more
This country has a hard on for guns for whatever reason and instead of making a better country, they would rather just keep having **** like this happen
And the reasons to use guns (cops busting in houses without warrants or no knock warrants, not allowing freedom of speech and assembly etc etc etc) the same people are nowhere to be found to advocate guns. The actual reason for the 2nd amendment
This country has a hard on for guns for whatever reason and instead of making a better country, they would rather just keep having **** like this happen
And the reasons to use guns (cops busting in houses without warrants or no knock warrants, not allowing freedom of speech and assembly etc etc etc) the same people are nowhere to be found to advocate guns. The actual reason for the 2nd amendment
Tomahawking4life
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So...just for ****s and giggles, I'd love to hear 57's solution to the problem. Go ahead 57
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Maybe it is. Maybe it's because we base our economy on fear. The behaviors and beliefs of people like thethe, I can't imagine that's all that common in other countries. I can't imagine there's some canadian freaking out about riots being started because of Ebola. Remember when people thought there would be riots if Obama wasn't re-elected. US has a market of people who spend money to feel safe, I wonder if that's the same issue other countries have or not. Cause that type of behavior IMO isn't healthy.
57Brave
Well-known member
Tax the piss outta the production and purchase of firearms and the ammunition. Highly -- HIGHLY regulate the manufacturers.
Impose draconian sentences on those that attempt to skirt the rules. Individual and/or business
License and regulate hunting clubs -shooting clubs
No public firearms sales in for example Wal-Marts. Only -- only highly regulated outlets
Sweep the inner cities, loose canon militias and hoarders. Ferguson has proved we have the tools and the stomach to occupy our cities. Surprising thing is, I think the majority of residents would welcome such a crack down.
Some of this is along the lines of what was done during the Clinton Era with big tobacco. Not many of you remember the way people smoked pre 1992. This is a totally different ambient world.
I think the key is the source. Make the manufacturers responsible for their product. You say I hate the NRA no I don't per se. But I do hate what they have become. The lobbying wing of Big Shoot um Up.
Personally I don't think the rank and file politician has the guts.
Again, we got people off of tobacco
As far as psycholical profiling. Does anyone here undestand how long that takes - nd how do they project some kid that is bullied because his skin is darker and his girl friend is mad a t him ??? Or some guy comes home and finds his wife with Jody ?
-- there is one common denominator -- shooting
Tomahawking4life
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I hear a lot of liberal terms in there like higher taxes and regulation, but break that down. Higher taxes...so what? If someone really wants a gun they'll pay just a little more to get it.
You talk regulating manufactures and shooting clubs, but that could mean anything. What kind of regulations are you talking?
Also you mentioned keeping guns out of Walmart. What good would that really do? I can think of 3 stores in town within a 1 mile radius where I could still go buy a gun at.
You talk regulating manufactures and shooting clubs, but that could mean anything. What kind of regulations are you talking?
Also you mentioned keeping guns out of Walmart. What good would that really do? I can think of 3 stores in town within a 1 mile radius where I could still go buy a gun at.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Maybe that's the problem. How many plaes in that same radius can you buy food? Or medicine?
Woudl a gun ban work? Probably not, there's way too many guns out there as it is. Sure it would eventually choke the supply down, and reduce unnecessary shooting as getting ammo would be harder, riskier and more money, but it wouldn't do anything for a long time in this country and I don't think banning guns is what needs to happen. There's something else in America that's the problem. Other countries with similar issues in diversity and economics and similar gun adoption rates don't have the same issues, there has to be something as the root cause of things.
And no parents, the answer isn't violent TV, Movies, and video games. Have you seen the **** they have access to in Japan?
Tomahawking4life
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Food- I'd say 20+ easily
Medicine- I'd guess about 4
So what would you do? Tell Cabellas they can't sell guns anymore? Or tell the same thing to Palmetto State Armory?
Does it matter how far away they were from each other? If it was a 20 mile radius it really wouldn't take much effort to drive there.
Tomahawking4life
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This I can agree with
57Brave
Well-known member
First off, who said anything about banning guns !
When I was a teen cigrrettes were .$30 a pack. Today at $5.00 a pack - I kow many who quit simply because they couldn't afford it. Yes some will still find a way to possess firearms and ammo like they do in Great Britain. The more obsytacles the more people are likely to say "screw it"
Not sure the details but there is a hunt club system in Great Britain - where people can store,shoot play with, admire and do whatever other unmentionables with their guns (as in "this is my rifle this is my gun. One is for fighting and one is for fun!" )
Yes regulate manufacturers. We regulate pharmasuticals, we regulate automobiles, we regulate food processing -- this isn't that much of a stretch. I think public saftey is the issue. So, there is precedence.
I said Wal-Mart for example. Any other neighborhood retailer that deals in ammunition or weapons. Cabellas would be reduced to being a clothing store or sell bows and arrows. So what ???
As to what good would it do --- access
Ovre price the supply nd the demand will evaporate. Like, tobacco
57Brave
Well-known member
(tried to multi quote Z's statement Toma used. )
I agree with you whole heartedly. But today the issue is living out those root causes by shooting other people.
Look at it like this. If you woke up this morning with a headache first thing you want to do is make your head quit hurting. Once that happens you can clearly see those shots and beers last night might be the cause and maybe next Friday you might not behave the same.
But first, you need to get your head to quit hurting
I agree with you whole heartedly. But today the issue is living out those root causes by shooting other people.
Look at it like this. If you woke up this morning with a headache first thing you want to do is make your head quit hurting. Once that happens you can clearly see those shots and beers last night might be the cause and maybe next Friday you might not behave the same.
But first, you need to get your head to quit hurting
Tapate50
Well-known member
It was definitely implied. Saying we regulated other industries, when making an argument FOR the regulation of gun and ammo manufacturers would obviously imply that they weren't. Anything else and you are just being obtuse. (Huge possibility)
Regardless, you are still painting this issue with a broad brush. You are punishing everyone for the few. Get more creative on a plan to target the few, and not the many and I can get on board.
Keep touting the same rhetoric that won't get passed by either side and wonder why it isn't gaining traction is silly. Do something about it if you are this fired up, but your plan isn't it. To gain ANY traction, you are going to have to target the criminals first. Until legal gun owners see that guns are off the street from those who steal and cheat the system, no dice. Your proposal is just a broad brushed lazy attempt at fist shaking behind a keyboard.
Also, how would you treat the hunting industry? Without segmenting this portion of the population away, you also aren't going to get anywhere. I've given you two steps in the right direction, stop fist shaking and tax imposing and take it the rest if the way.
Ps, I'd also look into medicinal correlations and their effects on people ha. Doctors with script pads are probably killing more people than guns are and probably causing a few of these episodes as well.
57Brave
Well-known member
First one has to make ones head quit hurting.
I dont know if you have kids or not but lets hope your kids are lucky OR you can look for ways to be more certain your children are safe. Shooting holes in my pie in the sky wishlist gets you no closer than we were a week ago.
Again if you do have kids --- I hope they stay lucky -- because that is more and more what it looks like. Luck = right place right time. As opposed to wrong place wrong time. Pretty stiff gamble where ids are involved
I dont know if you have kids or not but lets hope your kids are lucky OR you can look for ways to be more certain your children are safe. Shooting holes in my pie in the sky wishlist gets you no closer than we were a week ago.
Again if you do have kids --- I hope they stay lucky -- because that is more and more what it looks like. Luck = right place right time. As opposed to wrong place wrong time. Pretty stiff gamble where ids are involved
Tapate50
Well-known member
No, but neither does have a pie in the sky wish list in the first place. So here we are and will sit until someone comes up with something reasonable.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Since I have no stance on this as I can get a weapon anytime I want legally or illegally due to my race, but I (puking) agree with Steak Sauce. The NRA is very naive to block something that is paramount in keeping weapons from mentally ill people. Crooks, gangsters and what not is going to get their weapons, there is NO STOPPING THEM. We can quit manufacturing them, but they STILL WILL GET THEIR WEAPONS, but they aren't the ones killing kids, students and what not in mass killings, or disgruntle workers shooting up a factor taking revenge, all points to MENTAL ILLNESS. You can't stop all violence but you can keep these people off the streets.
In Eau Claire, a student been bullied over and over until their parent confronted the bullying parent and told them to talk to their child, they didn't, the bullied parent had an older kid beat the tar out of the bully. The bully child's parents wanted to complain and the school did the right thing and ignore them. The parents need to step up and be parents. They need to be aware of their kids and go to those teacher conferences. The wife and I go to all of ours and we ask about the other students and emotional issues and the teacher kind of was happy that we asked. Since it is a private school they don't have this issue. You bully in any way, you are gone, period. They don't put up with it.
We have a job as an older generation, especially those of my age 45+, we have let our kids down and now they are grown and made it worse and we allow society to dictate how we raise this generation and it is going to hell in a handbasket.