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thethe said:
I totally mis-read your post.

Yeah, the baseball rules are crazy.

Not even sure why the Cubs care since they will extend those guys like the Braves extended their core.
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Well they did it because it's the smart financial decision to do. Pulling up a player immediately vs wait 2 weeks and you have another year to play with before being forced to extend them makes too much sense.
 
zitothebrave said:
It's absurd. Why can Bryant and Russell be called up now and get one more year of control? It should be pushed back until at least June 1st.
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I agree whole heartedly.

But it won't change. The Union doesn't care about this issue. Minor league players will continue to be screwed over because they have next to little representation in the CBA.
 
zitothebrave said:
Well they did it because it's the smart financial decision to do. Pulling up a player immediately vs wait 2 weeks and you have another year to play with before being forced to extend them makes too much sense.
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You could also argue that it was a smart financial decision for the Braves to call Heyward up on opening day since that was the difference between them making the playoffs.

Keith Law makes a strong argument that, for some players, the present value of calling guys up when they are ready exceeds the future value of that additional year (or most of a year). Also, it definitely doesn't help that club's ability to negotiate an early extension which is far and away the best use of resources.
 
chop2chip said:
You could also argue that it was a smart financial decision for the Braves to call Heyward up on opening day since that was the difference between them making the playoffs.

Keith Law makes a strong argument that, for some players, the present value of calling guys up when they are ready exceeds the future value of that additional year (or most of a year). Also, it definitely doesn't help that club's ability to negotiate an early extension which is far and away the best use of resources.
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True, if you just miss the playoffs you have to wonder if it was worth it for the extra year of control. But it's still only like 10 games you have to hold the player down for IIRC. What are the odds that 1/15th of a players season is what makes or breaks your season? Say Bryant is a 5 fWAR player, what are the odds the cubs losing about a 3rd of a point of fWAR will cause them to miss the playoffs? It's really slim. Now if you push that day back to June 1st, then you have a debate, but June 1st you've played at least 50 games. Then you're talking about some serious decisions. 10 games is inconsequential.
 
zitothebrave said:
True, if you just miss the playoffs you have to wonder if it was worth it for the extra year of control. But it's still only like 10 games you have to hold the player down for IIRC. What are the odds that 1/15th of a players season is what makes or breaks your season? Say Bryant is a 5 fWAR player, what are the odds the cubs losing about a 3rd of a point of fWAR will cause them to miss the playoffs? It's really slim. Now if you push that day back to June 1st, then you have a debate, but June 1st you've played at least 50 games. Then you're talking about some serious decisions. 10 games is inconsequential.
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I agree. There isn't a reason it shouldn't be pushed back at least until sometime in May.
 
chop2chip said:
So much for the vision excuse thing.

Maybe people will start acknowledging the whole declining bat speed argument again instead.
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I blame it on him focusing on gettign ripped. Not even joking honestly I think it was part of his problem. There's a reason most baseball players don't look like him. Sure it's what helped him overcome hsi relative small stature and have impressive power, but I really think the bulk of his issues came from continually adding muscle mass. I can't think of any elite player in any sport who spends all their time cultivating mass. LaRon Landry is a man mountain, he can't pick up a coverage to save his life. I think Uggla had the same issues. Instead of spending the offseason working on his swing he spent it workign on his muscle growth. Strength training is severely important in baseball, but it's not the end all be all. You can be Hercules, but if you can't hit a ball with heavy rotation in under a second in a tiny portion of the bat that's the "sweet spot" all the muscle in the world won't help you.
 
chop2chip said:
I agree. There isn't a reason it shouldn't be pushed back at least until sometime in May.
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Yup. I actually don't know why it isn't an issue for MLBPA. I understand it primarily effects younger players. But in the case of Bryant and Russell, even though they'll both be 4 year arb players, they'll still lose millions from this. They'll be signing their FA contract year older which slightly dings their value, and more importantly, they have 4 years of arb, we look at Price, he made a lot of money with his 19.25 final year of Arby (also a 4 year arb player) but if he was a free agent, what are the odds that he gets less money than Lester who took home 6 years and 155 million or at least 25M. So a similar thing could affect those guys and they could be losing millions. Now I'm guessing the end result is negligible, or it would have been adressed by now. I'm just shocked it hasn't been taken on yet.
 
zitothebrave said:
Yup. I actually don't know why it isn't an issue for MLBPA. I understand it primarily effects younger players. But in the case of Bryant and Russell, even though they'll both be 4 year arb players, they'll still lose millions from this. They'll be signing their FA contract year older which slightly dings their value, and more importantly, they have 4 years of arb, we look at Price, he made a lot of money with his 19.25 final year of Arby (also a 4 year arb player) but if he was a free agent, what are the odds that he gets less money than Lester who took home 6 years and 155 million or at least 25M. So a similar thing could affect those guys and they could be losing millions. Now I'm guessing the end result is negligible, or it would have been adressed by now. I'm just shocked it hasn't been taken on yet.
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I am guessing it somehow affects the number of jobs for fringe major leaguers (Tommy La Stella in this case with Russell/Bryant). Or that union members feel like there are more pressing matters that will actually affect them, since no big league player is affected by this situation.
 
chop2chip said:
I am guessing it somehow affects the number of jobs for fringe major leaguers (Tommy La Stella in this case with Russell/Bryant). Or that union members feel like there are more pressing matters that will actually affect them, since no big league player is affected by this situation.
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I think it's more of the latter.

And poor Tommy La Stella. Gets traded to a team he should succeed on as they value his type of contribution, gets replaced by arguably the best prospect in baseball. Rays or A's next for him?
 
It has more to do with bat speed than how much muscle he has. Plenty of guys are muscular and have bat speed (look at Uggla a few years ago). If you can't catch up to a fastball and don't have the bat speed to wait out a slider to see if it's a slider or fastball, you aren't going to hit no matter how big or small you are.
 
gilesfan said:
It has more to do with bat speed than how much muscle he has. Plenty of guys are muscular and have bat speed (look at Uggla a few years ago). If you can't catch up to a fastball and don't have the bat speed to wait out a slider to see if it's a slider or fastball, you aren't going to hit no matter how big or small you are.
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Yes, but how many of those guys who were muscular and have bat speed look like Uggla does? At some point muscle mass in the same way as fat gets in the way. Bonds on steroids was cut, but he wasn't a walking popeye like Uggla. There still has to be a balance. And of course Bonds' best asset was his eyes. He had a super small zone cause of his rep and he could pick up nearly any pitch.
 
zitothebrave said:
Yes, but how many of those guys who were muscular and have bat speed look like Uggla does? At some point muscle mass in the same way as fat gets in the way. Bonds on steroids was cut, but he wasn't a walking popeye like Uggla. There still has to be a balance. And of course Bonds' best asset was his eyes. He had a super small zone cause of his rep and he could pick up nearly any pitch.
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There are tons of guys. I will just name Bryce.

#harperfan
 
zitothebrave said:
Yes, but how many of those guys who were muscular and have bat speed look like Uggla does? At some point muscle mass in the same way as fat gets in the way. Bonds on steroids was cut, but he wasn't a walking popeye like Uggla. There still has to be a balance. And of course Bonds' best asset was his eyes. He had a super small zone cause of his rep and he could pick up nearly any pitch.
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Bonds on steroids was laughable. He looked like a HOF Linebacker getting off the bus.
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zitothebrave said:
I think it's more of the latter.

And poor Tommy La Stella. Gets traded to a team he should succeed on as they value his type of contribution, gets replaced by arguably the best prospect in baseball. Rays or A's next for him?
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Dude. It was downright sadistic to let him win a spot on the roster, then just absolutely bury him behind not just one, but TWO blue-chip guys.
 
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