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thethe said:
Doens't matter how the contract is strcutred. Kersh/Max got AAV's of 30M. So Procelleo is getting paid 2/3 of what they are paid.
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How does yearly salary not matter? Again, explain to me why you would pay a 3.7 guy that has a K/9 of 5.....21 mil a year? You've yet to explain why it's a "smart deal" other than he's in his prime years......which, again, is dumb.
 
thethe said:
Shields just got the same money basically and is 6 years older.
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Shields is getting 18 mil per, so he's getting less BUT he's been the much better pitcher over the last 4 years.

WAR last 4 years:

Shields - 16.2
Porcello - 10.3
 
You aren't paying for what a pitcher has done, at least I wouldn't. You pay a pitcher based on what you think they will do.
 
BRule said:
He's getting 8 mil less than Max and Ker next year........that's not smart, that's moronic.
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Actually, when you factor in time value of money and the structure of the contract, Porcello is almost making Scherzer money over the next 4 years.
 
thethe said:
You aren't paying for what a pitcher has done, at least I wouldn't. You pay a pitcher based on what you think they will do.
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Obviously but what makes you think Porcello will be a 21 mil per year player? His entire career he's been a 4 or a 3....nothing suggests he's an ace or worthy of 21 mil per year, nothing.
 
I like Porcello more than most, but I think he got the benefit of the doubt due to age. He's still only 26. I guess the Sox can afford to pay him, but to me he's exactly the type of guy you ride out the cheap years and then let walk.
 
BRule said:
Obviously but what makes you think Porcello will be a 21 mil per year player? His entire career he's been a 4 or a 3....nothing suggests he's an ace or worthy of 21 mil per year, nothing.
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For starters, he is not getting paid ace money. Secondly his career is trending up is it not?
 
thethe said:
Aces are going to start to get paid 25+ easy. Using past contracts in this new sports environment is foolish to gauge what market value is.
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It doesn't matter what aces will be paid in 2-3 years. What are aces getting paid today? Who is using past contracts? We are talking about contracts within the last year and in some cases within the past 3 months. Is that too far back?

Kershaw
Scherzer
Lester
Greinke
Hamels
Shields (to a lesser degree)
 
thethe said:
For starters, he is not getting paid ace money. Secondly his career is trending up is it not?
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Porcello isn't getting paid ace money but I wouldn't say his carer is trending up. He has been a 2.7 or 2.8 WAR pitcher the last 3 seasons. That's good and pretty valuable. But the money he is going to be making suggests he will be a 3.5-4 WAR pitcher going forward. So the Sox are banking on him improving in his prime years. It's above market value but it's the Red Sox and they can afford it.
 
thethe said:
For starters, he is not getting paid ace money. Secondly his career is trending up is it not?
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What are you even talking about? He's a top 10 paid pitcher in baseball......he's getting ace money.

As for his numbers, as I already posted...his stats last year are in line with his career numbers...other than a drop in ERA, which is meaningless.
 
gilesfan said:
It doesn't matter what aces will be paid in 2-3 years. What are aces getting paid today? Who is using past contracts? We are talking about contracts within the last year and in some cases within the past 3 months. Is that too far back?

Kershaw
Scherzer
Lester
Greinke
Hamels
Shields (to a lesser degree)
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Grienke signed in december 2012.
Hamels signed in July 2012
 
thethe said:
Grienke signed in december 2012.

Hamels signed in July 2012
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This point doesn't help your case, if you're taking out contracts that are 2-3 years old, or older than Porcello is top 5 in pitcher contracts.
 
thewupk said:
Porcello isn't getting paid ace money but I wouldn't say his carer is trending up. He has been a 2.7 or 2.8 WAR pitcher the last 3 seasons. That's good and pretty valuable. But the money he is going to be making suggests he will be a 3.5-4 WAR pitcher going forward. So the Sox are banking on him improving in his prime years. It's above market value but it's the Red Sox and they can afford it.
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Her is the ranking by average salary:

Kershaw
Scherzer
Lester
Verlander
Cain
Felix
Greinke
Hamels
lee
CC
Tanaka
Porcello
Price
Wainwright
Sheilds
Bailey
Lincecum
Weaver
Sanchez
 
BRule said:
This point doesn't help your case, if you're taking out contracts that are 2-3 years old, or older than Porcello is top 5 in pitcher contracts.
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No, thats not how this works. Do you deny that inflation is happening in baseball?

There contracts being at 25 in reality helps my case because if they were FA's right now they would make more than 25.
 
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