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thewupk said:
Andruw had a career WRC+ of 111. Heyward's career WRC+ is 116. Let's not get confused here. Andruw did have several MVP type years because he's the greatest defensive OF of all time. Offensively though? Left a lot to be desired at times. Kind of like Heyward. In the end both were good hitters.
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You can't just look at career. For like the last 6 years of his career, Andruw was an offensive black hole. Why don't you compare their offensive numbers through the same age seasons this far. Way to cherry pick and use a player still in his prime and compare him to a full career with tons of awful years at the end.
 
chop2chip said:
I do think Andruw was a better hitter. I know we have to adjust for era, but it seems there's an obvious reason to why we have to adjust for Andruw's era. wRC+ is unfair to the clean players that played in that era.
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I think that's a fair point. That said the pitching was overall worse too and that definitely inflated offensive numbers as well. So it wasn't all PED's. Depending on how much you want to adjust for that era Andruw wasn't that much better than Heyward offensively if you subscribe to that idea.
 
zbhargrove said:
You can't just look at career. For like the last 6 years of his career, Andruw was an offensive black hole. Why don't you compare their offensive numbers through the same age seasons this far. Way to cherry pick and use a player still in his prime and compare him to a full career with tons of awful years at the end.
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Not cherry picking anything. Andruw for the most part had WRC+ seasons ranging from the 100 teens to the 130's until his last 2 seasons here. Nothing to suggest he was Babe Ruth compared to Heyward.
 
thewupk said:
Not cherry picking anything. Andruw for the most part had WRC+ seasons ranging from the 100 teens to the 130's until his last 2 seasons here. Nothing to suggest he was Babe Ruth compared to Heyward.
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I would take Andruw in his prime over Heyward in his prime every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Defensively and offensively.
 
Also just so we're clear. Andruw had a 113 WRC+ through his age 25 season. Heyward is currently in his age 25 season and is at 116. I still fail to see how Andruw was Babe Ruth compared to Heyward.
 
zbhargrove said:
I would take Andruw in his prime over Heyward in his prime every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Defensively and offensively.
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Overall? Sure. Offensively? Heyward hasn't even reached his prime yet so I don't see how we can say that. And nobody ever said anything about Heyward being better than Andruw either. Just that both were meh at times offensively and both can still be franchise players based on what they do in the field and on the bases.
 
thewupk said:
Also just so we're clear. Andruw had a 113 WRC+ through his age 25 season. Heyward is currently in his age 25 season and is at 116. I still fail to see how Andruw was Babe Ruth compared to Heyward.
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And I fail to see where Heyward has had anywhere close to an MVP season. I'm sorry but trying to say Heyward has basically been as good of an offensive player as Andruw is downright silly and you know it.
 
zbhargrove said:
And I fail to see where Heyward has had anywhere close to an MVP season. I'm sorry but trying to say Heyward has basically been as good of an offensive player as Andruw is downright silly and you know it.
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Through their age 25 seasons? I don't see how you can say otherwise. There is more to offense then home runs. Especially in a homer fueled league.
 
thewupk said:
Yeah we as a special player for sure. Certainly not appreciated enough while he was a Brave.
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Won't get that argument from me.

I always appreciated him on both sides for sure. Some people wish he hit like Griffey Jr. but he did give us solid production from the position he played.
 
Carp said:
Since you seem to want to bring him up on a nightly basis and give his current stats since May 1 like it's relevant.
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Not sure you know the definition of "nightly"

Heyward has been good for the last 2 months....this is like my 3rd post about him this month. 2nd if you don't count the cocaine joke
 
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