Around Baseball 2015 Edition

BRule said:
Folty is already up.....obviously your reasoning isn't correct.
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Because Folty showed great improvement with instruction. Wisler still needs more time and you never know how much time.

Hindsight is 20/20. We can't judge the decisions that were made in March based on what we know today. Thats foolish. Folty could have easily squandered in AAA for a few months.
 
LMAO you guys are great.
Wandy has BARELY been better numbers of late (8 BB in 9.1 IP GREAT ABILITY!!!) and has been far far far less reliable. Stults had a 3.53 FIP and 4.13 xFIP in 2013 in over 200 IP. I know those stats only matter when they back you up, but they are what they are. Wandy has been terrible everywhere he's been since 2012. Stults has been solid and reliable. When you don't want to rush young arms and there's a tiny difference (if one at all) between two guys, going with reliable isn't a head-scratcher.
 
gilesfan said:
You don't think they could round up 350 innings or so with Wandy/Cahill/Minor/Wang/Banuelos/Foltynewicz?
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Well since Wandy has been consistently hurt the last few years thats not a good bet. Minor...ditto. Wang doesn't even look like a AAA pitcher anymore.

Banuelos needed time to throw stress free innings while recovering from an injury. So, no...those options are not sufficient. But, you take a big lefty with a rubber arm. Now thats a guarantee, regardless of who good/bad he is.
 
BRule said:
That's beyond dumb on sooooooooooo many levels. Lets pick two worse pitchers in Stults and Cahill because they won't get hurt and they will pitch!!!

How about you go find guys that can pitch 180 innings and not suck? Crazy idea, right?
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Did Stults suck last year? How about in 2013?
 
gilesfan said:
So, is Folty ready?

and no, he's not.
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I don't know if Folty is ready honestly. He may have been rushed as well due to the starting pitching putting the bullpen in a big hole this year.

He looked alright in his first start. We will find out if he needed more seasoning.

So you would bet on Wandy to have more innings than Stults this year assuming they both had equal opportunities?
 
Whoever they chose, I'm sure they were hoping WOULDN'T be in the rotation at year's end. But since young pitchers are unpredictable, in case they needed a guy to eat innings, Stults was a better choice.
 
gilesfan said:
That one has me scratching my head; its not like the Marlins have good options unless they have a catching prospect to call up.

2011- 1.6 WAR

2012- 1.9 WAR

2013- 3.6 WAR

2014- 1.4 WAR

And you cut him after 9 games? I wonder if Boston will bring him back for essentially free.
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Those WARs look higher than the ones at Baseball Reference. Is there a war over WAR?
 
yeezus said:
LMAO you guys are great.
Wandy has BARELY been better numbers of late (8 BB in 9.1 IP GREAT ABILITY!!!) and has been far far far less reliable. Stults had a 3.53 FIP and 4.13 xFIP in 2013 in over 200 IP. I know those stats only matter when they back you up, but they are what they are. Wandy has been terrible everywhere he's been since 2012. Stults has been solid and reliable. When you don't want to rush young arms and there's a tiny difference (if one at all) between two guys, going with reliable isn't a head-scratcher.
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Why are you even bringing up 9 innings as if it means anything at all?

Its almost as if you cannot comprehend the affect that Petco has on pitchers. (ignoring the idiocy of bringing 1 single year or using 9 innings or 26 innings as support in any type of argument)

Just to use your 2013 was good theory:

Home- 3.44 FIP, 3.06 ERA
Away- 3.92 FIP, 4.77 ERA

Another context, baseball reference has a tool that puts each player in a neutral location (100 park factor). The Eric Stults neutralized statistics for 2013: 4.63 ERA
 
My rough rule for promoting a young player is to apply a ten percent discount to their last three months of work in Triple A. If that is better than the major league incumbent bring em up. But that only applies if the team is competitive. With a non-competitive team you need to give more weight to service time considerations.
 
thethe said:
I don't know if Folty is ready honestly. He may have been rushed as well due to the starting pitching putting the bullpen in a big hole this year.

He looked alright in his first start. We will find out if he needed more seasoning.

So you would bet on Wandy to have more innings than Stults this year assuming they both had equal opportunities?
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Stults is a replacement level pitcher or below. I would have taken a shot with the better pitcher and if he got injured or struggled, moved on to a replacement level starter like Stults.
 
gilesfan said:
Stults is a replacement level pitcher or below. I would have taken a shot with the better pitcher and if he got injured or struggled, moved on to a replacement level starter like Stults.
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Are you sure that replacement level arm is available at this time (assuming the better pitcher gets hurt now)?
 
the fact that neither of you can see, or maybe refuse to admit, the pretty obvious and sound rationale behind the decision says a lot. if Wandy gave us a good shot at 180 innings, he would've been kept. he's much riskier. when you have young arms and you're not sure how they're going to develop, going with a steady, more reliable vet is not crazy.

i'm willing to say it could end up being the wrong decision; if wandy throws a lot of innings, it will have been wrong in hindsight. you guys think no matter what it was 100% wrong, and it comes as more looking for a reason to complain/nitpick than being rational and understanding.

yet you won't admit yet that we robbed st. louis..lmao
 
yeezus said:
the fact that neither of you can see, or maybe refuse to admit, the pretty obvious and sound rationale behind the decision says a lot. if Wandy gave us a good shot at 180 innings, he would've been kept. he's much riskier. when you have young arms and you're not sure how they're going to develop, going with a steady, more reliable vet is not crazy.

i'm willing to say it could end up being the wrong decision; if wandy throws a lot of innings, it will have been wrong in hindsight. you guys think no matter what it was 100% wrong, and it comes as more looking for a reason to complain/nitpick than being rational and understanding.

yet you won't admit yet that we robbed st. louis..lmao
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I'd be careful on saying we robbed St. Louis. Heyard still has time to get hot and he could end up signing there long term. I still think the deal was a no-brainer to do and the Braves ended up getting a potential ace for a guy who wasn't going to be here past the year.
 
yeezus said:
the fact that neither of you can see, or maybe refuse to admit, the pretty obvious and sound rationale behind the decision says a lot. if Wandy gave us a good shot at 180 innings, he would've been kept. he's much riskier. when you have young arms and you're not sure how they're going to develop, going with a steady, more reliable vet is not crazy.

i'm willing to say it could end up being the wrong decision; if wandy throws a lot of innings, it will have been wrong in hindsight. you guys think no matter what it was 100% wrong, and it comes as more looking for a reason to complain/nitpick than being rational and understanding.

yet you won't admit yet that we robbed st. louis..lmao
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No, I don't make conclusions based on 1 month into the season like you and thethe. If Miller can somehow be a number 2/3 type starter and Heyward fails to improve on hitting, it's a clear win for us. But, its way too early to make concrete statements on that. Miller is pitching better than expected and Heyward is hitting worse than expected, at the moment.

Sample size apparently means nothing to you.
 
thethe said:
Because Folty showed great improvement with instruction. Wisler still needs more time and you never know how much time.

Hindsight is 20/20. We can't judge the decisions that were made in March based on what we know today. Thats foolish. Folty could have easily squandered in AAA for a few months.
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Oh come on!!!! It was 4 games and 21 innings.......that's such bull**** and you know it.

If that's the case Manny would be up here too.

You can't preach patience and wanting pitchers to take their time, so we bring in Stults and Cahill and then bring up Folty after 21 innings and say "great improvement"
 
BRule said:
Oh come on!!!! It was 4 games and 21 innings.......that's such bull**** and you know it.

If that's the case Manny would be up here too.

You can't preach patience and wanting pitchers to take their time, so we bring in Stults and Cahill and then bring up Folty after 21 innings and say "great improvement"
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Folty already has major league service time and is older. As I said in a previous post I'm not sure if he is ready and he may have been rushed because the bullpen was getting taxed.
 
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