Around Baseball 2015 Edition
- Thread starter NinersSBChamps
- Start date
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Yes i would. It would be hard to part with Peraza. But I'm an Albies booster. I'd try to get them to take something like Jace and Avilan, but I know they wouldn't bite.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Shelby is playing over his head but Fraziers not?? Lmao... You just can't get over a mediocre Heyward being gone.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
LMAO him and many others, yes.
He is absolutely one of them still bitter over it, no question.
Frazier is likely playing over his head and still unlucky this year. His raw power numbers (290 ISO) should go down but his BABIP (248) will likely go up. I suspect his WRC+ will be somewhere near last years level. He's a really good player.
And you can think what you want of Miller but I really hope people realize the 206 BABIP that Miller has won't continue.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I dont think anyone thinks he'll have a sub-2 ERA but the added use of his cutter has made him take the next step this year.
Obviously he'll have some bad starts where he gets rocked like every pitcher.
People also need to realize that his K rate is up from a season ago and his walk rate and HR rates are down to career lows. Has he gotten lucky on balls in play? Sure. But there is no reason he can't continue to be a dominant pitcher, even if his current ERA isn't sustainable.
His 3.23 FIP is very good but I wouldn't call it dominate. His K rate and BB rates are good and I see no reason that can't continue. His HR rate is what I think will rise eventually. He's cut it in half and I'll have to see him do that for more than 2 months before I think that's his new ability level.
I see no reason he cant be a really good pitcher. But this talk of him being an budding ace is premature imo. Of course people said the same thing last your about Teheran when he benefited from the same thing (really low BABIP). And it was Jurrjens before that. I think some people have forgotten what a truly dominate pitcher looks like. Not to say our boys can't be good but they aren't on that level.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
Miller's current numbers are more in line with his minor league career as well.
People are still undervaluing Miller based on his mediocre second season. He just doesn't have enough of a sample size to declare what he's going to be yet, one way or the other.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Andddd Miller has all the stuff to be a dominant pitcher, was a top-10 prospect, and is living up to it right now. His first few starts probably have his FIP up, but I'd bet it's a lot lot lower in his last 4(?) starts. He's been dominant since his first few starts. He throws hard, and all game. He's been locating. You really can't ask for much more at this point. It's hard to say he doesn't look like a budding ace.
Nobody is forgetting. I'm just not buying into the reduced HR rate and the obvious 206 BABIP. I don't see the issue thinking he will regress to his current low 3 FIP.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
His FIP is steadily improving, along with this peripherals and overall numbers and performance in general. This is another reason why just looking at the numbers and spouting them off as if they are the end-all, be-all is so, so silly.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
What's his ERA at the end of the year?
Why not wait until the year. But I susepct it's likely high 2's unless he regress really bad.
What's silly is looking at his ERA and stating 'oh my god stud' which has been done numerous times. It was done with Julio last year the first couple of months when his BABIP was low and done all the time with Jurrjens. Some people just don't learn.
As far as his FIP lowering as the season has gone on. It has mainly due to not giving up any homeruns and not walking as many people. That's great but I don't expect the surpressed homerun rate to continue. I hope I'm wrong and he continues to walk people at less than 2 per 9 and giving up 1 homer per 18 innings. I just doubt it.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Except that's not really at all what has been said, unless you're not comprehending or paying attention.
He looks great. His numbers are great. I don't think I've seen anyone say his numbers aren't going to regress. But, taking a lot of things into consideration, it's clear to see why many fans are buying into Shelby Miller. It's not just his ERA, but sure, his performance thus far is certainly part of it. Honestly you just sound bitter still about Heyward, on the whole. You're giving him all this credit in the other thread while downplaying what Miller has done so far.
People have been talking about Miller as a TOR pitcher. I don't think he's there yet and still some due because of his ERA. And yes I guess thinking Miller has been very good but beleives he will regress closer to his FIP means I'm just bitter about the Heyward trade. The two aren't always mutually exclusive depsite those in favor of the trade always bringing it up. It doesn't matter who it is. If a pitcher is super outperforming his FIP because of a low BABIP I will always be cautious. I've said the same thing about Julio last year and Jair back in the day. And I'll say the same thing for whoever else does it. But I guess it just means I'm still bitter about Heyward.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Varvaro is back with the Red Sox due to injury, MLBTR: "The Red Sox announced that pitcher Anthony Varvaro has been returned to the club. The right-hander was designated for assignment by the Red Sox in late April and claimed off waivers by the Cubs days later.
Varvaro, it turns out, has a torn right flexor tendon and will undergo surgery Tuesday ending his season, reports Cormac Gordon of the Staten Island Advance.com. Rehabilitation is expected to last six months, so Varvaro could resume throwing in November.
“The tendon is partially torn off the bone, but the elbow is stable otherwise,” the 30-year-old told Gordon. “I was worried I might need another Tommy John surgery. That’s not the case. This is the best possible outcome.”
Rehabilitation is expected to last six months, so Varvaro could resume throwing in November. The Red Sox say they were unaware of how severe the injury was, so both clubs agreed that it “would be appropriate to return Varvaro to the Red Sox for placement on the disabled list in accordance with the major league rules.”
The Red Sox designated Varvaro for assignment on April 29th and the Cubs claimed him off waivers on May 3rd. Three days later, the Cubs DFA’d Varvaro and subsequently outrighted him."
Varvaro, it turns out, has a torn right flexor tendon and will undergo surgery Tuesday ending his season, reports Cormac Gordon of the Staten Island Advance.com. Rehabilitation is expected to last six months, so Varvaro could resume throwing in November.
“The tendon is partially torn off the bone, but the elbow is stable otherwise,” the 30-year-old told Gordon. “I was worried I might need another Tommy John surgery. That’s not the case. This is the best possible outcome.”
Rehabilitation is expected to last six months, so Varvaro could resume throwing in November. The Red Sox say they were unaware of how severe the injury was, so both clubs agreed that it “would be appropriate to return Varvaro to the Red Sox for placement on the disabled list in accordance with the major league rules.”
The Red Sox designated Varvaro for assignment on April 29th and the Cubs claimed him off waivers on May 3rd. Three days later, the Cubs DFA’d Varvaro and subsequently outrighted him."