Stats and facts are what I go by. Not feelings and assumptions.
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Stats and facts are what I go by. Not feelings and assumptions.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
It's well known WAR is inflated by defense but continue to say otherwise.
Heyward has a better WAR than Cutch, is he better?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Don't get me wrong, Heyward is good and he might be the Cardinals' best player, but what makes me laugh is that his isoOBP is at or near his career low while his BA is at or near his career high. Funny how BA doesn't matter until it matters.
And the our own Heyward is right on the bottom line. If Jason was going to test free agency after this season, there really wasn't a realistic way we could keep him. The argument by some is that Wren and company should have opened up the wallet and given him $25 MM for 7 years or something around that level to keep him (and he might get that on the open market). If that was deemed unaffordable in either the short or long term, you really have to gauge trade value vs. the value of a sandwich pick. Front office opted for the trade route.
And the our own Heyward is right on the bottom line. If Jason was going to test free agency after this season, there really wasn't a realistic way we could keep him. The argument by some is that Wren and company should have opened up the wallet and given him $25 MM for 7 years or something around that level to keep him (and he might get that on the open market). If that was deemed unaffordable in either the short or long term, you really have to gauge trade value vs. the value of a sandwich pick. Front office opted for the trade route.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
The argument was go for one more win. A bird in the hand being worth 2 in the bush.
Is it well known? If dWAR is so inflated then why does it work on a team level?
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Two WC teams make the WS last year. The post-season is a lottery. If your goal is to avoid post-season disappointment, then yeah fielding an uncompetitive team is probably the best way of achieving it.
keithlaw
Playing the Waiting Game
It can vastly overrate individuals in the short run, but is accurate in large samples so it works well as a team stat. But just because a stat correlates well with a team's success doesn't mean that it values individual players well. We certainly wouldn't use wins to measure pitcher performance or runs scored to measure batters performance, even though both of those measure team's success well.
Because there is no way the Braves could win it all if they made the playoffs. It MUST be a WC lose or 1st round exit.
Right. There are sample size issues in play with dWAR. But just like CJ BABIPING the league to death in 2013 doesn't change the fact that he was that good that year. He did help the Braves win even though most people knew that wasn't something to be counted on in the future. Whatever a player does in a given year defensively is what happened. It doesn't mean he is really that good and we should expect said numbers. But it did happen. And for one season he was that good.
So yes on an individual season WAR works. You have to look at more to see if that's something that you should expect to continue. And it Heywards case that it something that should be expected for the foreseeable future.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Lineup would be good.
Rotation would be what, Julio/Wood/Hale/Perez/????
Thats not a WS rotation at all.
We'd have no money to add anyone.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I mean i guess anything could happen but seems very unlikely the Braves could given how questionable the rotation would be.
WS rotation is irrelevant. If a team can make the playoffs they can win the world series. Anything can happen in a short series. Otherwise how come the Dodgers with Kershaw and Greinke keep getting bounced?
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Cards have Kershaw's number for whatever damn reason and they have a deal with the devil.
Regardless, we wouldnt make the WS with the core we had, it peaked in 13.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
That's the only plausible argument against the moves made last off-season. I think another plausible argument can be made about the process in that the front office could have tried to do the M. Upton/Kimbrel package first and move on from that point. That would have provided some payroll flexibility to acquire pitching (and we would have needed pitching--I don't see how that could have been avoided). Truth be told, given what our starting pitching would have likely looked like, I think our record would be about what it is right now given the way all the principals have been performing to this point.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
John Hart said that he told every team that to get Kimbrel they had to take Melvin and only the Padres agreed to do that. Wisler was also the prospect they wanted the most and the Padres wouldnt include him in a deal for Justin so we got rid of BJ and got the prospect that was previously untouchable.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Imo the Kimbrel trade was our best move of the off-season by a large margin. A shocking display of incompetence by San Diego's GM.
Reason #94583049850345 why Bryce Harper is a bitch-boy:
RE: Greinke
“I think he was okay. When you’re getting five to six inches off of the plate, you better win the game,” Harper said. “For me, I don’t think he was very tough. He’s a great pitcher, he does what he does, but when you’re getting six inches off the plate it’s pretty tough to face him.”
RE: Greinke
“I think he was okay. When you’re getting five to six inches off of the plate, you better win the game,” Harper said. “For me, I don’t think he was very tough. He’s a great pitcher, he does what he does, but when you’re getting six inches off the plate it’s pretty tough to face him.”
Here is pitch chart from game for reference:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...arper-frustrated-by-bill-millers-strike-zone/