Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

skidlee said:
Red Sox Non-Tender Andrew Bailey

He would be a guy I would take a risk on.
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I'd sign him tomorrow for 4-5M right now. I believe he's arb 3 so he wouldn't be long term risk. We can certainly eat that short term deal and he was great last year but for the homers. Remove that and he's golden. infact his 2.66 SIERA was on par with Carpenter and Walden. Downside is we have 4 ticking time bombs for sure in the pen between him, Walden, Avilan and Venters.
 
I think some people are underestimating the Nat's rotation based on their underachieving last year. They have 3 legit aces in Strasburg, Gio and Zimmerman.
 
NYCBrave said:
I think some people are underestimating the Nat's rotation based on their underachieving last year. They have 3 legit aces in Strasburg, Gio and Zimmerman.
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Gio was what he should have been last year for the most part. His FIP- by season

2009 - 104
2010 - 93
2011 - 93
2012 - 73
2013 - 91

Zimmerman was also in line with his career as his FIP- has been 82 90 and 89 the last 3 seasons. I don't think anyone underachieved on their staff.

All in all in 2012 vs 2013 the difference in fWAR 16.7 vs 13.4 pretty much all of that is Gio falling back to earth and the difference between Jackson and Haren. Stras, Zimm, and Detwiler alll are about equal. So Gio being the only one who under achieved if you think 2012 was legit.
 
Doug Fister is a great addition to the Nats. He's not an ace, but a very solid #3 or #4 starter. The key for the Nationals though will always be Strasburg. Can he stay healthy and be that ace everybody expected? If so, they will be a handful.
 
Dunit24 said:
Doug Fister is a great addition to the Nats. He's not an ace, but a very solid #3 or #4 starter. The key for the Nationals though will always be Strasburg. Can he stay healthy and be that ace everybody expected? If so, they will be a handful.
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Yeah. A shocking trade really, considering what teams have been paying for mediocre starting pitching in the FA market.
 
skidlee said:
I am not saying the sky is falling. I am just bringing up things that this board doesn't want to talk about. Beachy and Wood might not be the pitchers everyone thinks they will be next year. People don't like me saying that.
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I think the issue of innings per start is a valid one. You need a certain number of innings from your starters. Otherwise the manager ends up having to push the pen too hard. This happened with the Braves in 2011.

It is true that we do not have a horse on our staff who can go 220 innings. But I think Fredi can work around that as he did in 2012 and 2013 when we didn't have a horse either. The plan has to be to push Minor and Medlen a little more. They were very careful with Teheran last season and I think they can get a bit more out of him. I would not push Wood or Beachy too hard given this will be Wood's first full major league season and Beachy is coming back from injury.

I'm not sure Lohse is the solution in terms of getting more innings per starts. His innings per starts declined to 6.2 in 2013 from 6.4 in 2012. Given his age, I'd expect that trend to continue in 2014.
 
This makes no sense for the Tigers, I have no clue what they are thinking. I can't imagine other teams wouldn't be willing to top that package. Fister is a better pitcher than James Shields, who netted Wil Myers. Better than Jake Peavy, who netted Iglesias. Better than Nolasco, who just got a huge contract. Good article on fangraphs: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/nationals-steal-doug-fister-from-tigers/

Getting away from that Tigers defense and out of the AL could benefit him as well.
 
gilesfan said:
This makes no sense for the Tigers, I have no clue what they are thinking. I can't imagine other teams wouldn't be willing to top that package. Fister is a better pitcher than James Shields, who netted Wil Myers. Better than Jake Peavy, who netted Iglesias. Better than Nolasco, who just got a huge contract. Good article on fangraphs: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/nationals-steal-doug-fister-from-tigers/

Getting away from that Tigers defense and out of the AL could benefit him as well.
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BUAHAHAHAHA Sigged that ****.
 
Last 3 years:

# Name Team W L SV G GS IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 BABIP LOB% GB% HR/FB ERA FIP xFIP WAR
9 Doug Fister - - - 35 32 0 91 89 586.2 6.78 1.81 0 .61 .300 72.7 % 50.9 % 8.0 % 3.30 3.21 3.48 13.3
10 Cole Hamels Phillies 39 29 0 96 95 651.1 8.46 2.02 0 .88 .280 76.1 % 46.1 % 10.3 % 3.15 3.20 3.23 13.2
11 James Shields - - - 44 31 0 100 100 705.2 8.21 2.44 0 .91 .283 77.0 % 46.7 % 10.9 % 3.15 3.45 3.40 12.9
 
Lol you're gonna base all your assumptions comparing Fister who pitched in the AL West and Central vs Shields who pitched in the AL East. Shields is well above Fister in RA9-WAR. Basically your case is that Fister is good at keeping his FIP low and he is. Firster also benefits from a healthy HR luck as well.

Fister was a steal for the Nats but saying he's better than Shields is dumb. Very dumb.
 
zitothebrave said:
Lol you're gonna base all your assumptions comparing Fister who pitched in the AL West and Central vs Shields who pitched in the AL East. Shields is well above Fister in RA9-WAR. Basically your case is that Fister is good at keeping his FIP low and he is. Firster also benefits from a healthy HR luck as well.

Fister was a steal for the Nats but saying he's better than Shields is dumb. Very dumb.
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I guess you don't like factoring in defense when evaluating pitchers, especially ground ball pitchers? That seems fairly odd to me.

By FIP-based WAR, Fister ranks 9th, right between David Price and Cole Hamels. This is not a case where out new fangled math has identified an undervalued pitcher who only looks good on FanGraphs and looks like crap by traditional metrics. By the things we value the most, Fister has been a top 10 pitcher in MLB over the last three years; by the things that MLB has traditionally valued, he’s been a top 15 pitcher over the same time frame.
 
Ok lets run through the stats of your statement "Fister is a better pitcher than James Shields" the only stat FIster is better than Shields in is BB Rate, HR Rate, and FIP.

Let's compare all their rate stats

Shields will be on the left Fister on the right

K/9 8.21 vs 6.78
BB/9 2.44 vs 1.81
HR/9 0.91 vs 0.61
ERA- 80 vs 82
FIP- 88 vs 80
xFIP- 84 vs 86
tERA 3.73 vs 3.79
SIERA 3.45 vs 3.54
HR/FB 10.9 vs 8.0

So you see when you look at the whole picture not just go "LOOK AT fWAR" that he is not superior to shields. He has a better FIP because of a better HR rate. Shields has better overall peripherals as indicated by xFIP- and SIERA advantages, and he goes deeper into games. He's better.

I clearly said that the Nationals got a steal, and I clearly stated last year the Royals were morons for trading Myers for Shields. But saying Fister is better than Shields is just wrong and your insistence that it's right just continues to show your homerism.
 
Fister is a great pitcher... Really good pickup and I'm not sure what the Tigers are thinking... He would have been perfect for us.
 
sturg33 said:
Fister is a great pitcher... Really good pickup and I'm not sure what the Tigers are thinking... He would have been perfect for us.
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Especially if all he cost us were guys like Graham and Gilmartin. Only guy they got that could amount to much is Ray. Krol is a reliever, Lombardozzi is Elliot Johnson so far, maybe he'll be weird and figure it out in Detroit and make this deal look super terrible but as it is, it looks like a terrible trade.

Detroit would have been better off dealing Scherzer to a team who'd pay top Dollar or getting ties with Porcello for nothing. Fister is a heck of a bargain, one of the best in baseball.
 
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