Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

Haren never was coming here. He's a West Coast kid, from right outside of LA. Took the deal with Washington last year because it was a significant pillow contract.
 
thethe said:
I don't see how you trade Minor at this point.
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Why are you enabling? Enough real hot stove action is already happening, and will continue in the coming weeks, that we don't need the board to be littered with bogus trade proposals.
 
Dalyn said:
Awful? Not quite. Below average. Would be a solid #5 on a winning team with a staff full of young pitchers.
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Ask the Nats how they felt about Haren being their #5 last year. They went 11-19 in games he started. 75-57 when he didn't. Thats a 92 win pace and likely gets them into the wild card game.
 
Dalyn said:
Sanchez is going to be better than Wood and probably better than Minor. Avilan isn't going to make it through the year (under Fredi). And Uggla has no place on this team. If anything, the Blue Jays say no.
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I found this very interesting. Do you know how good Wood will be after half a season? I seem to remember you have a lower outlook on him than most.

Personally, Wood would be untouchable for me at this point unless it is a slam dunk. I don't think there is a pitcher on our staff that could take as big of a step forward.
 
thewupk said:
Ask the Nats how they felt about Haren being their #5 last year. They went 11-19 in games he started. 75-57 when he didn't. Thats a 92 win pace and likely gets them into the wild card game.
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I just have a personal thing against getting the Nats sloppy seconds ....
 
Im not sure why people are mad about Haren.

He wasnt that good last year but better in the 2nd half.

Not a huge upgrade over Wood/Beachy.
 
Knucksie said:
Why are you enabling? Enough real hot stove action is already happening, and will continue in the coming weeks, that we don't need the board to be littered with bogus trade proposals.
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Like we told you last time you got all huffy over a Murph trade proposal, this a board for discussion. And I for one love reading all the crazy trades people come up with from this site. And I hope they keep coming. Please everyone, come up with some crazy trade ideas. It is fun.
 
TURBO said:
Like we told you last time you got all huffy over a Murph trade proposal, this a board for discussion. And I for one love reading all the crazy trades people come up with from this site. And I hope they keep coming. Please everyone, come up with some crazy trade ideas. It is fun.
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Only until you mention trading Heyward.
 
Starters- Medlen, Minor, Teheran, Beachy, Wood
Pen - Kimbrel, Walden, Carpenter, Martinez, Hale, Avilan, Venters

LaStella - 2b
Simmons - SS
Freeman - 1B
JUpton - LF
Heyward - RF
Gattis - C
Johnson - 3B
BUpton - CF

Bench of Laird, Uggla, Pena, Schafer, Terdoslavich

Still have 15-20 million to spend. I like the team we have NOW. This is what it would look like if the season started today. I dont want any Dan Harens. If we are going to make a trade, it should be for an ace or a stud hitter. Wren has already done a great job of building this team. Im making this post more for myself than anything. Losing McCann and Hudson sucked, but not worth the money. We need to focus on locking up the young guys and/or finding an ace.
 
Dunit24 said:
Starters- Medlen, Minor, Teheran, Beachy, Wood
Pen - Kimbrel, Walden, Carpenter, Martinez, Hale, Avilan, Venters

LaStella - 2b
Simmons - SS
Freeman - 1B
JUpton - LF
Heyward - RF
Gattis - C
Johnson - 3B
BUpton - CF

Bench of Laird, Uggla, Pena, Schafer, Terdoslavich

Still have 15-20 million to spend. I like the team we have NOW. This is what it would look like if the season started today. I dont want any Dan Harens. If we are going to make a trade, it should be for an ace or a stud hitter. Wren has already done a great job of building this team. Im making this post more for myself than anything. Losing McCann and Hudson sucked, but not worth the money. We need to focus on locking up the young guys and/or finding an ace.
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Very useful reminder of where we stand. What Wren has to focus on is making moves that actually upgrade the team. Not moves that get a veteran starter just because he is a veteran and not in fact better than what we already have. Not moves that spend money just because we have the budget. It should all be about finding upgrades in a cost efficient way. Wren also needs to keep some budget in reserve for mid-season moves.

Looking at the above roster, I think the one item we need is a second lefty for the pen. Venters will not be ready until sometime in June. I don't want Fredi running Avilan into the ground those first two months because he is the only reliable lefty in the pen. There are a handful of lefty free agents I would interested in: Oliver Perez, JP Howell and Bob Thornton as a possible rebound candidate. On the trade market, I'd talk to the Blue Jays about Brett Cecil, the Twins about Brian Duensing, the Cubs about James Russell and the Rays about Wesley Wright. We have a surplus of right-handed pitching ticketed for AAA this year and I would look to use that in making any deal for a lefty reliever.
 
I'd bring in a FA. I wouldn't want to waste one of our bullets on a left handed reliever.
 
thethe said:
I'd bring in a FA. I wouldn't want to waste one of our bullets on a left handed reliever.
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Me too. But free agents won't be cheap or risk-free either. Javier Lopez getting a three year deal at age 36 might set the FA market for lefty relief so high that a trade might actually be the better way to go.

Cody Martin is a nice prospect who will have a hard time making it with the Braves. For a team that is rebuilding and looking for some starting pitching depth he would have some real value. I'm thinking along the lines of maybe Martin plus a right-handed reliever ticketed for AAA for Duensing or Russell.
 
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