Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

Heyward said:
Thats what i mean, he was good, yes but is he a 10 million upgrade over Beachy/Wood?

Im not sure about that.

I'd like a veteran starter but im not sure who is a massive upgrade over those two.
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Well, Beachy most likely isn't the Beachy we remember and Wood would be on an innings limit and in his 1st real year as a starter. So yeah, I'd take Haren over both
 
BRule said:
Well, Beachy most likely isn't the Beachy we remember and Wood would be on an innings limit and in his 1st real year as a starter. So yeah, I'd take Haren over both
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What leads yo to believe that Beachy will not come back strong? He was showing very good progress when he had the scar tissue issues. Those are not uncommon and fixable. The cleanup surgery found everything in order. I expect he will be the Beachy we remember. He will now be further from TJ, with a full off season to heal.

Count me as very optimistic about Beachy.
 
I watched him in AZ. Was a huge fan of his and he was clocking his 2 seamer at 91-94. Worth 10 million? Not for me.
 
BRule said:
Beachy of last year, no....Beachy of 2 years ago, yes.
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Even Beachy this past year in his very limited action, coming back from major surgery and scar tissue issues, had an ERA of 4.50, WHIP of 1.03, BAA of only .239. Lifetime his ERA is 3.23, WHIP of 1.13, BAA of .220. Haren last year had an ERA of 4.67, WHIP of 1.24, BAA of .268. Lifetime his ERA is 3.74, WHIP of 1.19, BAA of .254. Haren is simply not as good a pitcher as Beachy, and he costs a whole lot more. There really is no comparison.
 
BRule said:
Well, Beachy most likely isn't the Beachy we remember and Wood would be on an innings limit and in his 1st real year as a starter. So yeah, I'd take Haren over both
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Interesting take. I can't agree with either. Beachy will be better than Haren, and so will Wood. Wood has been a starter in college and milb, and in MLB. Not sure why we should expect anything worse than what we have gotten so far. If anything ....better.
 
If Beachy starts in the rotation, we will likely regret it. He needs to be treated similar to how Medlen was (with a little less jerking around).
 
Dalyn said:
If Beachy starts in the rotation, we will likely regret it. He needs to be treated similar to how Medlen was (with a little less jerking around).
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Not really following the Dan Haren hype. He sucks. Im glad we didnt get him. Not worth 10 mil.
 
thethe said:
I think its pretty close with the way surgical procedures are performed nowadays but there is always a chance things can go wrong.
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Couldn't they same be said about pitchers that get TJS? And what has happened with Venters and Beachy?

To say "it's close to a given" that a pitcher coming off back to back injuries will be back to normal is rather crazy, IMO.
 
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