Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

BRule said:
Choo is a perfect fit in Texas, considering what Ellsbury got...this is a steal.

SAV brings up a good point, with the new TV money and what FA's are getting, is there any chance we keep any of Freeman, Heyward, Upton, Minor, Kim...? Which is why we should be trying to lock them up to contracts, now, that take them past year 2 or 3 of when they should hit the market.
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Contracts aren't gonna go way too high up. We can afford 3 stars. 2 of them should be Freeman and Heyward. I have a hunch the FO may be stockpiling money to keep Jason and Freddie around longer. I don't think with th enew park opening Liberty would want the cornerstones of the Franchise leaving.

As far as the Choo deal goes, it's a virtual lock to be a bad contract.

Choo is 31, and is fresh off a career year, he's not a great defender, his peak fWAR was 5.9 in a seemingly outlier defensive season. Guy can hit, that's for sure, but I don't know if he's worth more than maybe 12-15 million. I think his 2012 performance will be more typical than his 2013 meaning he'll be a 2-4 WAR player. NOthing special. Ellsbury is 30 so has the same potential age issue But his highs are way higher 9.1 WAR The concern with Ellsbury is he has basically missed 2 seasons with injuries and was hurt last year as well. But he's a great defender and plays CF so if he hits any he's way more valuable than Choo.
 
Brian Roberts signed with the Yanks for $2M. That was a low risk signing Wren should have made for 2B.

Nick Franklin should be available now that Seattle signed Cano. Wren should be looking into him as well.
 
Brian ROberts has done nothing since 2009. He would continue that trend I'm sure. Over the last 4 years he's averaged 48 games a season.

The one the Braves missed the boat on if you would was Kelly Johnson. ANother guy to look at though he's defensively inept is Justin Turner. I think the Braves are going with Uggla as option 1, TLS as option 2. Pena/Pastor as option 3. If none are up to snuff a trade will be made.
 
zitothebrave said:
Contracts aren't gonna go way too high up. We can afford 3 stars. 2 of them should be Freeman and Heyward. I have a hunch the FO may be stockpiling money to keep Jason and Freddie around longer. I don't think with th enew park opening Liberty would want the cornerstones of the Franchise leaving.

As far as the Choo deal goes, it's a virtual lock to be a bad contract.

Choo is 31, and is fresh off a career year, he's not a great defender, his peak fWAR was 5.9 in a seemingly outlier defensive season. Guy can hit, that's for sure, but I don't know if he's worth more than maybe 12-15 million. I think his 2012 performance will be more typical than his 2013 meaning he'll be a 2-4 WAR player. NOthing special. Ellsbury is 30 so has the same potential age issue But his highs are way higher 9.1 WAR The concern with Ellsbury is he has basically missed 2 seasons with injuries and was hurt last year as well. But he's a great defender and plays CF so if he hits any he's way more valuable than Choo.
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Choo doesn't need to be a great defender with Martin and Rios....You stick Choo with Profar, Elvis, Prince, Beltre, Rios, Martin....team is going to score a **** ton of runs.
 
BRule said:
Choo doesn't need to be a great defender with Martin and Rios....You stick Choo with Profar, Elvis, Prince, Beltre, Rios, Martin....team is going to score a **** ton of runs.
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Yes. They will score runs. And you need defense as part of your value. Last year he was thrown into CF which really hurt his UZR. But he's struggled in RF before.

Gimme a guy like Heyward who you know is gonna be sick in RF.

BTW, Jason has the 2nd highest fWAR from qualified RF the last 2 seasons. the highest is Zobrist, but in defense of Jason, Zobrist played much more at 2B than RF, and Zobrists ability to apparently play every position on the field with plus defense and his quality bat give him sick value.
 
zitothebrave said:
Yes. They will score runs. And you need defense as part of your value. Last year he was thrown into CF which really hurt his UZR. But he's struggled in RF before.

Gimme a guy like Heyward who you know is gonna be sick in RF.

BTW, Jason has the 2nd highest fWAR from qualified RF the last 2 seasons. the highest is Zobrist, but in defense of Jason, Zobrist played much more at 2B than RF, and Zobrists ability to apparently play every position on the field with plus defense and his quality bat give him sick value.
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He's gonna play LF in Texas, he will be fine.
 
Maybe. We've seen the issues of a quality RF defender in Justin Upton has had moving to RF. I don't think it's a given someone switching from one corner to the other will translate their skills.
 
Enscheff said:
Brian Roberts signed with the Yanks for $2M. That was a low risk signing Wren should have made for 2B.

Nick Franklin should be available now that Seattle signed Cano. Wren should be looking into him as well.
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You talk like $2 million basically doesn't count for the Braves org.
If they spent that on a guy who is as close as it gets to a sure thing to be injured, that's $2 million less that they have available to spend on the bullpen. We could have $15 million in useless 2B costs.
 
zitothebrave said:
Maybe. We've seen the issues of a quality RF defender in Justin Upton has had moving to RF. I don't think it's a given someone switching from one corner to the other will translate their skills.
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I think Justin will adjust and be better this year, but yeah, it's not a guarantee, and Justin is a better athlete than Choo.
 
I think Justin will be better as well. We all just assumed he'd be fine in LF and he wasn't. You could see it in his ability to track balls. He was much more comfortable in RF. One thing people don't think about when it comes to LF is everything is a mirror of RF. So your gut reaction if you're a RF and a righty is at the plate and the ball is someing to you is totally different. I mean regardless it's going to tail towards the line, but the line is on the other side.
 
zitothebrave said:
I think Justin will be better as well. We all just assumed he'd be fine in LF and he wasn't. You could see it in his ability to track balls. He was much more comfortable in RF. One thing people don't think about when it comes to LF is everything is a mirror of RF. So your gut reaction if you're a RF and a righty is at the plate and the ball is someing to you is totally different. I mean regardless it's going to tail towards the line, but the line is on the other side.
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A better athlete makes that adjustment in spring training. It's not that big of a deal. Getting comfortable at Turner Field is probably harder.

Choo is a better defender because he knows as a little Asian guy he has no room for error. He focuses and performs. Justin seems to have learned defense from Garret Anderson.
 
Runnin said:
A better athlete makes that adjustment in spring training. It's not that big of a deal. Getting comfortable at Turner Field is probably harder.

Choo is a better defender because he knows as a little Asian guy he has no room for error. He focuses and performs. Justin seems to have learned defense from Garret Anderson.
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I like the idea of trading for Nick Franklin. I dont think they will trade him just because they signed Cano. Brad Miller at SS is far from a sure thing so I think they keep both and see how things play out. Best chance I think is in a 3 way deal where the Mariners get someone like Price. Maybe we have a prospect or two the Rays prefer over Franklin.
 
Well, A-Rod gets 162. Apparently, he is going to appeal to a federal court. So much humor.
 
I think this lawsuit isn't going to be as much of a slam dunk for mlb as most people think.Bud is just a puppet doing the yankees bidding. I think ARod is going to payoff someone in the commisioners office to blow the whistle.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I think this lawsuit isn't going to be as much of a slam dunk for mlb as most people think.Bud is just a puppet doing the yankees bidding. I think ARod is going to payoff someone in the commisioners office to blow the whistle.
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I agree. A-Rod making waves is potentially far worse for MLB than Canseco popping open the can of steroidal worms.
 
At this time ARod is fighting a one man battle. The union has already backed out of the fight. Qite possibly we will never see ARod play again. Oh well.
 
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