Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

PawPawMaxwell said:
At this time ARod is fighting a one man battle. The union has already backed out of the fight. Qite possibly we will never see ARod play again. Oh well.
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He is still under contract from 2015-2017. So he will get paid for those years. Whether the Yankees let him play is up to them.
 
Hawk said:
I agree. A-Rod making waves is potentially far worse for MLB than Canseco popping open the can of steroidal worms.
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While I think ARod is a douchebag and a juicer he does have a point in all this. He has never failed a drug test. Yet he is getting banned for a season which is longer then what a 3rd time abuser would get. MLB is making up the rules as they go and this could bite them in the ass.
 
thewupk said:
While I think ARod is a douchebag and a juicer he does have a point in all this. He has never failed a drug test. Yet he is getting banned for a season which is longer then what a 3rd time abuser would get. MLB is making up the rules as they go and this could bite them in the ass.
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He did fail a drug test. He failed the 03 one. And I think the 08 one, don't recall exactly. He does have a case though. But MLB may have one as well. We'll see.
 
zitothebrave said:
He did fail a drug test. He failed the 03 one. And I think the 08 one, don't recall exactly. He does have a case though. But MLB may have one as well. We'll see.
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He failed a test for stimulants which is different from PEDs. Should have made that clear. Still, he failed no test this time.
 
zitothebrave said:
No but they have to have something, my guess is receipts.
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And neither did the other 12 players who accepted the suspensions. What I find interesting and something no one has bothered to mention is that all of the players suspended, other than Braun, are Latin players. Did they get some bad advice, did no one bother to educate them, was it assumed that the rules were understood by everyone?

Meant to quote someone other than you Zito Oops
 
Seems to me that MLB tried to let the courts clean up their game (Bonds and Balco), allowed the Federal Congress to try (Clemens, et al), both of which failed or just didnt care. So MLB does their own investigating, ethical or not we may never know, but at least MLB and the MLBPA are now working together it would seem.
 
I don't care what happens to Arod any longer. He's an obvious juicer, and lies about it. If he never plays again no one will miss him.

What I don't like is that all of this helps the Yankees. Helps them with the luxury tax, or gives them about 25 million to spend if they choose. If the suspension doesn't get overturned, you know MLB and the Yankees will find a way to get out of his remaining contract.
Personally, I would have Arod forfeit his salary for 2014, but the Yankees still have to pay it, only donating it to charity and it still counts towards their payroll.
 
Chipper has weighed in on the 60 Minutes profile so far:

Chipper Jones ‏@RealCJ10 11s

Anyone watching 60 minutes?? Tony Bosch can kiss my ass!!! Ignorant statement after ignorant statement. This guy is crooked and a clown!
 
I think A-Rod's argument only makes sense operating under the assumption that the world revolves around him. No one stood to gain anything by targeting an innocent player.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
Chipper has weighed in on the 60 Minutes profile so far:

Chipper Jones ‏@RealCJ10 11s

Anyone watching 60 minutes?? Tony Bosch can kiss my ass!!! Ignorant statement after ignorant statement. This guy is crooked and a clown!
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No one has ever said that Chipper was/is a mental giant but just what did he have to gain by weighing in on this topic when on other credible player has commented?
 
A-Rods lawyer makes a compelling case that A-rod should win his appeal. Should be interesting.
 
ARod has won nothing to this point. Considering that and if he should lose in Federal Court, along with the Sherman Act, and historical precedence, then throw in all the aspects of contractural law, the future CBA in 2016, I would wager a significant amount that the NYY will then ATTEMPT to break the remaining contract with ARod. And I think they would have a very strong case and good chance to win.
 
The thing is, if A-Rod appeals this, Selig can and probably will likely ban A-Rod for life like Rose.

I think the evidence they've provided about A-Rod's links to Bosch and Biogen are strong. The fact A-Rod tried to do a 180 on the texts and say they were strictly nutritional is hilarious. A-Rod's lawyer says how would A-Rod have been able to pass 12 random tests? Well the fact Bosch was giving him timeframes and knew biochemically when the drugs would wear off... also I think if they could back up the deaththreats against Bosch via texts and phone logs/monitoring that makes Bosch's case stronger.

I think if A-Rod keeps pushing, then Selig is going to ban him as his last act as Commissioner.

I'm surprised Chipper took that stance and went that route. I can't tell if he's just bashing Bosh or if he's subliminally backing A-Rod. I see no reason for him to go after Bosch if it isn't to back up A-Rod's credibility.
 
Ill go back to what I said above about Chipper and throw in the fact that it seemed every game he attended this past year he was on camera with a mug in his hand and sounded half in the bag. Not exactly a good image to project and even more so with 4 young sons to mentor.
 
KeithLockhart said:
I'm surprised Chipper took that stance and went that route. I can't tell if he's just bashing Bosh or if he's subliminally backing A-Rod. I see no reason for him to go after Bosch if it isn't to back up A-Rod's credibility.
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He ALSO said - "Have any of the people on the Bosch client list NOT been suspended. Nope. Haven't even contested it. All guilty. This is not a witch hunt!" & "They all didn't try to obstruct the investigation. Only one did. Next?"

Pretty clear he isn't supporting A-Rod.
 
A-Rod will have to take this to court to win. Doubtful the court hears it and agrees with him. The MLB has to have some pretty damning evidence for an arbitator to hear it and rule for 162. A-Rod is screwed and probably done playing.
 
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