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[Oklahomahawk]

OK help me out here. I'm not up on all this stuff like I once was. Isn't Pollack the big power hitting 1B?

 

[thewupk]

OK help me out here. I'm not up on all this stuff like I once was. Isn't Pollack the big power hitting 1B?

That's Goldschmidt. Pollock is their CFer who is a plus defender and has been very good offensively the last couple of years.

 

[Heyward]

@JeffPassan

Sources: Price on Ben Zobrist keeps going up. Sense among interested teams is that it stands at four years, $60 million and may go higher.

 

[thewupk]

If you owned a business and one of your employees became terrible at their job would you still wanna pay them the next 5 years regardless?

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Probably not. But pro sports are a different animal than most businesses especially baseball. Name some businesses where you have employees that are worth millions of dollars but for the first 6 years of their employment they provide their services for next to nothing?

 

[Heyward]

I agree with wup on no cap.

Yes, the teams with higher payrolls have the advantage but if the signing flops, pretty much screwed.

Most nfl contracts have an out after 2-3 years.

 

[Heyward]

If you owned a business and one of your employees became terrible at their job would you still wanna pay them the next 5 years regardless?

Not even close to the same.

And pretty sure if that happened, they would be fired, horrible analogy.

 

[thewupk]

@JeffPassan

Sources: Price on Ben Zobrist keeps going up. Sense among interested teams is that it stands at four years, $60 million and may go higher.

I wouldn't want to go 4 years but at those prices he would need to produce 8-9 WAR over that contract to be worth it. Might be tough at that age.

 

[Heyward]

I wouldn't want to go 4 years but at those prices he would need to produce 8-9 WAR over that contract to be worth it. Might be tough at that age.

If he was a little younger, i'd consider it, his age makes it too risky imo.

 

[bravesnumberone]

Anyone who thought we had a shot at Price was delusional.

Didnt take much to realize that.

Kind of my point

 

[chop2chip]

I wouldn't want to go 4 years but at those prices he would need to produce 8-9 WAR over that contract to be worth it. Might be tough at that age.

I think Zobrist is the exception to that rule. For a team in win now mode, he's basically the perfect missing piece signing. The years are relatively short, so you sign him for your window and if he sucks at the end of the contract you live with the consequences.

Washington, St. Louis, or the Mets would be great landing spots for him.

 

[chop2chip]

If he was a little younger, i'd consider it, his age makes it too risky imo.

His age makes it only 60 million.

 

[chop2chip]

If the 2013 version of the Braves had the chance to sign Ben Zobrist this offseason it would have been basically a perfect marriage.

 

[thewupk]

I think Zobrist is the exception to that rule. For a team in win now mode, he's basically the perfect missing piece signing. The years are relatively short, so you sign him for your window and if he sucks at the end of the contract you live with the consequences.

Washington, St. Louis, or the Mets would be great landing spots for him.

I agree. Like most contracts that take a player into their late 30's if you get good production for the first half you can live with the rest. I don't know enough about Zobrist to know if last year was a defensive blip or a decline. But we shall see. If he can give you 2-3 WAR a year for the first couple of seasons it's likely a good team looking to win now.

 

[Hudson2]

Not even close to the same.

And pretty sure if that happened, they would be fired, horrible analogy.

It actually wasn't a horrible analogy. Same thing. If you were the boss you wouldn't wanna pay somebody that wasn't performing.

 

[Oklahomahawk]

That's Goldschmidt. Pollock is their CFer who is a plus defender and has been very good offensively the last couple of years.

OK thanks.

 

[thewupk]

It actually wasn't a horrible analogy. Same thing. If you were the boss you wouldn't wanna pay somebody that wasn't performing.

It actually is a horrible analogy because I doubt you would get almost free labor like you do in baseball.

 

[Heyward]

It actually wasn't a horrible analogy. Same thing. If you were the boss you wouldn't wanna pay somebody that wasn't performing.

How is it the same thing?

If you suck at your job, most likely you'll get fired and there's a big risk with the contract if the player doesnt perform. There is risk.

 

[clvclv]

Pretty scary to think about the pool of almost-ready talent the organization could amass if they actually traded Miller, Freeman, and Teheran in the next week or so.

 

[Heyward]

I think Zobrist is the exception to that rule. For a team in win now mode, he's basically the perfect missing piece signing. The years are relatively short, so you sign him for your window and if he sucks at the end of the contract you live with the consequences.

Washington, St. Louis, or the Mets would be great landing spots for him.

I agree there, i meant more along where the Braves are right now.

 

[chop2chip]

I agree there, i meant more along where the Braves are right now.

From an asset accumulation perspective, it's fine. If you assume we could just trade him at any given point.

But that seems like just bad business and PR, so I would agree.