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[smootness]

Bowden: #Dodgers have to have a subsequent deal they’re working on…..or there has to be more moving parts here

I don't know why this must be the case. I mean, he may have more info, but you could easily justify this trade by itself. The Dodgers knew the Reds liked Peraza and saw an opportunity to basically get the prospect return for Frazier without having to give up as much. So they improved their system here.

 

[smootness]

The underrating of Peraza continues. He was phenomenal as a 20 year old in High A and Double A and had a decent season as a 21 year old in AAA. He's been quite young for his level. He probably should repeat at AAA this year and I think he would have a very good season there. I think he will have a solid career as a ML regular. And he is still young enough to have significant upside (potential All-Star).

At every level, his offensive output has been entirely BA-dependent. I mean, he hit .339 in 2014 and still barely had an .800 OPS. Last year his BA dipped at AAA and his OPS subsequently fell below .700. I realize that for a good defensive SS, that's not awful, but it's also tough to call even decent.

Simmons had a similar offensive profile at A+ and AA that was BA-driven, though he actually walked more, and we see his struggles in the majors. He obviously doesn't have the speed Peraza does, but his defense is obviously much better.

I'm not saying Peraza doesn't have value, and I'm certainly not saying I like the Olivera deal. But at the same time, I think the market is valuing him where he should be. I mean, the Reds just took him as the main piece in return for Todd Frazier, so they clearly aren't underrating him.

 

[dak]

I think the moral of the story from the Braves perspective is that we should have traded Peraza to the Reds last year instead of "rivals". The most surprising concern I've read on Peraza in the past year or so are opinions that he may not be able to stick at SS full-time. That is definitely a big impact on his value.

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[cajunrevenge]

Hamilton and Peraza will make for an interesting top of the lineup. From what I saw of his defense at AAA last year a lot of his defensive problems can be solved with a good defensive 1B. I saw several "errors" that were bad throws because he was unnecessarily hurrying that someone like Freeman would have scooped 9 times out of 10.

 

[smootness]

It's definitely a focus on speed over OBP. Will be interesting to see how it works out.

 

[weso1]

Peraza's ceiling is probably someone like Luis Polonia. If everything comes together for him then he might be able to put up a 2 WAR season or two.

 

[bravesfanMatt]

Peraza's ceiling is probably someone like Luis Polonia. If everything comes together for him then he might be able to put up a 2 WAR season or two.

peraza's first few seasons will be his best. eventually his lack of walks will catch up to him though..

 

[Russ2dollas]

I wish we could have torrent Frazier fir peraza

 

[smootness]

Torrent Frazier sounds like the kind of guy who just pours it on once he gets going.

 

[dak]

I haven't been real bullish on Peraza, but these opinions sound slightly pessimistic even to me . . .

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[zitothebrave]

That MLB GM is John Hart

 

[NYCBrave]

I think Peraza's upside is almost all based on this. If he's a 2B or a CF, he loses a ton of value. Not saying he's "just a guy" if he can't play SS, but third organization in a year usually means that he's either highly sought after or losing some of his sheen. It looks as though his offensive value is almost totally BA driven.

And that's the problem. His BB% has declined just about every year, and is scary low. With the skill set he has, he really needs to improve his BB% or else he's going to have trouble sticking

 

[NYCBrave]

I haven't been real bullish on Peraza, but these opinions sound slightly pessimistic even to me . . .

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Why was nobody saying any of this when the Dodgers acquired him??

 

[cajunrevenge]

Wish we would have traded Wood and Peraza for Frazier.

 

[nsacpi]

Miguel Cairo at age 21 put up a .659 OPS in AA--the hitter friendly Texas League.

Peraza at age 21 had an OPS of .697 in Gwinnett.

To me that's a non-negligible difference.

Cairo had a career ML OPS of .675. I think Peraza will out-perform that by 25 points or more.

 

[zitothebrave]

Wish we would have traded Wood and Peraza for Frazier.

Yup

 

[bravesfanforlife88]

Wish we would have traded Wood and Peraza for Frazier.

I think CIN fans do too

 

[bravesnumberone]

Yea, Frazier might have worked out better than the guy we got to play 3B who isn't even going to play 3B. Lol.

 

[bravesnumberone]

And I would assume that trade means the Dodgers are going to try to land Jose Fernandez here pretty soon.

 

[bravesfanforlife88]

Chris Johnson got the DFA from the Indians.....