zbhargrove
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Yah I suppose if you're factoring in Catchers, SS, 2B, and other low OPS positions... but he's a RFer... the average is much higher and you know that. You're better than that.
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Yah I suppose if you're factoring in Catchers, SS, 2B, and other low OPS positions... but he's a RFer... the average is much higher and you know that. You're better than that.
bravesfanMatt
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Yeah and Bryce's mom told me how dissapointing I was last night. Oh snap. Told him. Wait. That didn't come out right.
Everything is relative, you know that. Last year was historic and phenomenal, but this year is worse than ever.
I would say relative to his hype, he has been a little disappointing overall. Still has plenty of time, and last year showed what he's capable of, but this year is a disaster.
Heck... maybe we ought to see if we can buy low on him....
We've had enough over hyped OFers on the team recently.
This conversation is held on here a lot, but anyone thinking a 23 year old with a career 140 wRC+ is a disappointment overall is crazy. He's numbers are essentially on par with Ken Griffey Jr. thru age 23.
Main difference is Harper has one non repeatable season to tremendously boost his stats. Griffey was consistently around that 140 mark. Harper has only topped 140 once and has two seasons under 120.
Tapate50
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zbhargrove
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Thanks to one season...
Harper has gone 121, 137, 115, 197, 116. He's is/going to be one hell of a hitter. People love to judge base don just this year (like thethe did just on last year). He's somewhere in between and probably close to 140-150. (fangraphs projects 154 for the rest of the year...so something similar to that and gradually increasing through prime).
You guys? Whaddya mean "you guys"?
everyone bu Tapage50 of course.
Edit: Leaving the jibberish on here for lulz
I don't doubt that Harper is going to have a hell of a career. But his numbers aren't on part with how Griffey started his career. Again there is one glaring number in that list that is propping everything else up. When Harper can consistently be a 140-150 WRC+ hitter then that is the hitter he will be.
He is probably going to continue improving and be very good.
I said after last year I'd take Harper over Trout, so I don't have anything against him. But this year is a big red flag. That much regression from a 23-year-old is worrisome. Period.
zbhargrove
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Well if fangraphs projects it, it must be so.
Well,it's a pretty decent projection as opposed to throwing random numbers against a wall.
Steamer projects that. And to be fair they started out as 163 for Harper for the season. As time goes on and continued subpar results that projection will go down as well. Assuming he stays at this lvl to end the year then his 2017 projection will be lower than the 154 it's showing right now. They projected 138 before the 2015 season. Again his 2015 197 WRC+ is skewing these projections.
chop2chip
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To be fair to Harper, 2015 did happen. It's absolutely relevant to the discussion whether its repeatable or not.
They use weighted average of past performance. Its certainly not based on 1 year of data. Zips projects 149. Most players would take his "down' year.
What do you think he's going to be over the next 3-4 years? You don't really project 120ish, do you?
zbhargrove
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I'd rather base my projection off what he's done for the whole season thus far.
It did happen which is why his projections got boosted. It predicted way more power this year than he's shown. And I am fine with that. However I don't really see Harper having a 150 WRC+ from today through the end of the season. That projection uses past results to predict their numbers and doesn't factor how he's currently playing. So unless Harper stops popping the ball up and starts hitting more line drives he won't sniff that result that is being predicted for him.