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WaitingFor2017 said:
Just a question here....

Why are the Braves protecting Pierzynski and O'Flaherty?

They have easily been prime candidates to get released or DFA'ed yet they get these "injuries" to keep them out long enough until the 40-man callups arrive in September. Is it not the Braves' Way to let go of aging players who are not productive (within this new era)?
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I admit I've had a change of heart re AJP: just IMO but leave him on the roster and let him finish a Brave.
 
Rangers release Josh Hamilton. Wow. I can't recall a year that I've seen so many former superstars forced out of baseball. Hope this wasn't because he relapsed.
 
DaneHill said:
Rangers release Josh Hamilton. Wow. I can't recall a year that I've seen so many former superstars forced out of baseball. Hope this wasn't because he relapsed.
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Apparently he's been out all year with a knee issue (60 day DL). In July it was reported he was expecting to be 100% by ST next year. Next Braves pickup?
 
DaneHill said:
Rangers release Josh Hamilton. Wow. I can't recall a year that I've seen so many former superstars forced out of baseball. Hope this wasn't because he relapsed.
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What is "Another reason to avoid massive long term contracts for 1000 Alex"?
 
yeezus said:
We should be very grateful we did not signed Heyward for $20M+ a year. Yikes.
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That contract would severely hamstring most franchises. I think I read where he sat out all weekend.

We cannot play that game and lose at our current payroll levels.
 
yeezus said:
We aren't paying Kemp $20M+ per year. He isn't hamstringing us.

I'm also confused as to what Kemp has to do with Heyward's bad contract.
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The combined failure of the Alex Wood/HO trade has led the Braves to spend 18 million a year on Kemp for the next 3 seasons. That with Markakis has the Braves paying 29 million a year for two OF spots to combine for 1 WAR at the present time. Hopefully that will improve over the next two years. So while you may be grateful that we aren't paying Heyward 20M+(ignoring the good chance of him actually rebounding after a horrible year) how do you feel about our current situation in LF and RF where their combined efforts is a massive overpay.
 
thewupk said:
The combined failure of the Alex Wood/HO trade has led the Braves to spend 18 million a year on Kemp for the next 3 seasons. That with Markakis has the Braves paying 29 million a year for two OF spots to combine for 1 WAR at the present time. Hopefully that will improve over the next two years. So while you may be grateful that we aren't paying Heyward 20M+(ignoring the good chance of him actually rebounding after a horrible year) how do you feel about our current situation in LF and RF where their combined efforts is a massive overpay.
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Wait, how are we paying Kemp $18M? I read, all along, we were paying like 3/26, or around 8.5.
 
yeezus said:
Wait, how are we paying Kemp $18M? I read, all along, we were paying like 3/26, or around 8.5.
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3/26 is the added cost of Kemp when factoring in HO's sunk cost. But that's still money paid. The Braves will pay Matt Kemp 18 million next season. So it's not really about this move per say as I feel it has a decent chance to make something good about a bad situation (HO) but more in line with the overall use of the Braves money.
 
The Cubs are paying Heyward over $28M next year (provided he doesn't opt out, which he obviously will not). He can then opt-out after that year if he's significantly better, but he'd be forfeiting another $28M in 2018, which he probably won't do because no one will pay him more than that. Then the Cubbies are on the hook for $20-22M until 2023.

So yeah, I'd take the short-term bad contracts over that.
 
thewupk said:
3/26 is the added cost of Kemp when factoring in HO's sunk cost. But that's still money paid. The Braves will pay Matt Kemp 18 million next season. So it's not really about this move per say as I feel it has a decent chance to make something good about a bad situation (HO) but more in line with the overall use of the Braves money.
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Oh, right. It's still not a long time. Not nearly the debacle paying Heyward $20-28M per year until 2023 could be. It's apples to peach rings. We can take those contracts while rebuilding, they aren't long-term. Heyward's is until 2023. And for a team with our payroll, paying a player who's as shaky on offense as Heyward is over $20M until 2023 is a bad gamble.
 
yeezus said:
The Cubs are paying Heyward over $28M next year (provided he doesn't opt out, which he obviously will not). He can then opt-out after that year if he's significantly better, but he'd be forfeiting another $28M in 2018, which he probably won't do because no one will pay him more than that. Then the Cubbies are on the hook for $20-22M until 2023.

So yeah, I'd take the short-term bad contracts over that.
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Unless this is just a bad season and Heyward returns to the ~120 WRC+ hitter he was. Which I think is pretty likely.

And Heywards contract is 21.5 million in 2017. He doesn't have an opt out until after 2018. Doesn't make more than 22 million in any given year. Signing bonus is paid out starting in 2024. At least that's how I'm reading it.
 
yeezus said:
Oh, right. It's still not a long time. Not nearly the debacle paying Heyward $20-28M per year until 2023 could be. It's apples to peach rings. We can take those contracts while rebuilding, they aren't long-term. Heyward's is until 2023. And for a team with our payroll, paying a player who's as shaky on offense as Heyward is over $20M until 2023 is a bad gamble.
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You may consider that a bad gamble. But the Braves knew how bad (or good depending on your view point) Kemp and Markakis are. They have a track record for that type of production and willing paying for it anywhere. To me that might show worse judgement. Gambling on surgery and weight loss to fix their issues.
 
thewupk said:
The combined failure of the Alex Wood/HO trade has led the Braves to spend 18 million a year on Kemp for the next 3 seasons. That with Markakis has the Braves paying 29 million a year for two OF spots to combine for 1 WAR at the present time. Hopefully that will improve over the next two years. So while you may be grateful that we aren't paying Heyward 20M+(ignoring the good chance of him actually rebounding after a horrible year) how do you feel about our current situation in LF and RF where their combined efforts is a massive overpay.
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For a few lost years with no replacement waiting in the minors? I'm not overly worried about it honestly. They are place holders.
 
thewupk said:
Unless this is just a bad season and Heyward returns to the ~120 WRC+ hitter he was. Which I think is pretty likely.

And Heywards contract is 21.5 million in 2017. He doesn't have an opt out until after 2018. Doesn't make more than 22 million in any given year. Signing bonus is paid out starting in 2024. At least that's how I'm reading it.
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Ok, I misread the opt-out which is after 2018, but I'm still seeing $28M next year.

Since his rookie year, he's had just as many seasons under 120 as on it or over, including 96, 110, and 69 this year. His high since then was 121 and that was 2012. So, he's pretty much at best a 120 guy and at worst...this. I don't think it's crazy the Braves didn't take that gamble on a shaky, inconsistent offensive player. His offense is a pretty big question mark moving forward, and I think it's good they're not paying $23M until 2023 for it.
 
yeezus said:
We aren't paying Kemp $20M+ per year. He isn't hamstringing us.

I'm also confused as to what Kemp has to do with Heyward's bad contract.
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We are paying something like 18 million per year for the services of HO and Matt Kemp, right?
 
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