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nsacpi said:
We are well positioned to beat them with our surplus of pitchers. No one has the kind of surplus we have.
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Possibly true, but as I recall, you spent significant time the last couple years questioning the Braves' accrual of pitching when position players were more valuable, less fungible, more scarce. Does this represent a shift in your thinking?

I was thinking well, for the time being it's true, but the pendulum swings, and pitching is what we (as an organization) do best. And at some point, when you are trying to figure out a nine-man rotation, you deal pitching for hitting.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Possibly true, but as I recall, you spent significant time the last couple years questioning the Braves' accrual of pitching when position players were more valuable, less fungible, more scarce. Does this represent a shift in your thinking?

I was thinking well, for the time being it's true, but the pendulum swings, and pitching is what we (as an organization) do best. And at some point, when you are trying to figure out a nine-man rotation, you deal pitching for hitting.
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no shift in my thinking...just being snarky
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Good info. I saw him in ST and was worried he was still going out and around. Is this broadly available or are they still kind of dripping it out?
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They have a lot of data now and it seems to be pretty instant on baseball savant. The regular statcast leaderboard on mlb.com which I used seems to be lagging a bit behind on data.

The homer last night was pretty encouraging for him. 95 MPH fastball belt high away and he stroked it for a line drive homer to right center. Don't think there is any way he could of done that last year.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Possibly true, but as I recall, you spent significant time the last couple years questioning the Braves' accrual of pitching when position players were more valuable, less fungible, more scarce. Does this represent a shift in your thinking?

I was thinking well, for the time being it's true, but the pendulum swings, and pitching is what we (as an organization) do best. And at some point, when you are trying to figure out a nine-man rotation, you deal pitching for hitting.
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This is such a stupid myth that persists despite all facts to the contrary.

The Braves are no better at producing MLB pitching than most other organizations. The only good pitcher they have produced with long term success over the last 10 years has been Teheran. They have also shown a clear ability to produce MLB positional talent...probably even more so than pitching talent.

Just because the Braves ended up with 3 HOFers in the rotation for a decade doesn't make them a pitcher factory 2 decades later.

The "Braves Way" has been attempted again by the Mets, who are seeing exactly why it is folly to dump resources into pitching only to watch it get hurt.
 
thewupk said:
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/catch_probability_leaderboard?min=0&year=2017

2017 catch probability data. Not sure how up to date that is. Also not sure about a public API. That would be pretty cool though.
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Ah yes, I was talking about the data they used to calculate the stars, or at least which play corresponds to each chance.

I read an article about how bad Matt Adams has been in LF so far, and they linked video to plays he didn't make. To the naked eye, they looked like plays that were hard or impossible for anyone to make, but I wanted to see the data behind those particular plays to judge my "eye test".

The author said something along the lines of, "7 of his chances were balls any OFer would have caught according to StatCast". So where did he get this play-specific statcast data?
 
Enscheff said:
Ah yes, I was talking about the data they used to calculate the stars, or at least which play corresponds to each chance.

I read an article about how bad Matt Adams has been in LF so far, and they linked video to plays he didn't make. To the naked eye, they looked like plays that were hard or impossible for anyone to make, but I wanted to see the data behind those particular plays to judge my "eye test".

The author said something along the lines of, "7 of his chances were balls any OFer would have caught according to StatCast". So where did he get this play-specific statcast data?
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Yeah I would like that to be publicly available. In due time hopefully.
 
Enscheff said:
This is such a stupid myth that persists despite all facts to the contrary.

The Braves are no better at producing MLB pitching than most other organizations. The only good pitcher they have produced with long term success over the last 10 years has been Teheran. They have also shown a clear ability to produce MLB positional talent...probably even more so than pitching talent.

Just because the Braves ended up with 3 HOFers in the rotation for a decade doesn't make them a pitcher factory 2 decades later.

The "Braves Way" has been attempted again by the Mets, who are seeing exactly why it is folly to dump resources into pitching only to watch it get hurt.
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Disagree with your characterization of the Braves not being pitching-centric. Even if I were incorrect, it hardly makes my comment stupid.

It looks like you shifted arguments mid-slam, anyway. First you argued that it was stupid to suggest the Braves are pitching-centric, then you argued they are stupid for being pitching-centric. Can't be both, that's a logical fallacy.
 
Tebow = .246/.310/.415

A .725 ops isn't bad and pretty impressive to me. In his last 10 games, he's hitting .314 and only K'd 7 times in 37 PAs. He's holding his own
 
I think I miss Alex more than anyone else we let go of -- yes, even Simmons. It's undeniably that he'd be a huge help to our rotation and could be moving forward. Such a dumbass trade.
 
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