Around the League - 2021 Szn

Dalyn said:
That seems like something stupid we would let happen.
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Exactly how do you propose the Braves convince him not to take a managing job that he wants?

I guess one way would be to give him the Atlanta job though that probably doesn't make any sense.
 
I think the Padres should go after snit. Can you trade managers like nfl? Can a manager back out contract and take another job? I know he isn't, but am interested in this anyway
 
msstate7 said:
I think the Padres should go after snit. Can you trade managers like nfl? Can a manager back out contract and take another job? I know he isn't, but am interested in this anyway
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Yes a manager can be trade. Most recent example was when the White Sox traded Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Padres officially fired their manager today. Word is that Prellar wants to bring in a veteran manager after 2 new managers failed. I have a feeling this is the offseason we finally lose Ron Washington.
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This is the move GMs make 1-2 seasons before losing their own job. They always scapegoat the manager first.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
Padres officially fired their manager today. Word is that Prellar wants to bring in a veteran manager after 2 new managers failed. I have a feeling this is the offseason we finally lose Ron Washington.
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I would think Ron would be open to the job here or with one of the Texas teams, but I don't think he wants to be that far from home, from what I remember reading when we got him. He's pushing 70 now, and home's Louisiana.
 
Really good game, but damn... 4 hrs and what 20 minutes? My old ass fell asleep a dozen times during that thing.
 
Southcack77 said:
Exactly how do you propose the Braves convince him not to take a managing job that he wants?

I guess one way would be to give him the Atlanta job though that probably doesn't make any sense.
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Paying him more is probably the most direct route to take.
 
IIRC Leo Mazzone was making something like 100K (just for comparrison) and left for Baltimore and 500K. So I dont think anyone could fault Wash for jumping ship.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
IIRC Leo Mazzone was making something like 100K (just for comparrison) and left for Baltimore and 500K. So I dont think anyone could fault Wash for jumping ship.
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I still remember who intense the Leo Mazzone courting was back in 2005. The Yankees had a three day exclusive window to sign him but ultimately Baltimore got him because then manager Perlozzo was Mazzone’s best friend and they gave him a three year contract which is unusual for position coaches. Baltimore even gave up a prospect so they could hire him before Leo’s contract with the Braves ended a month later.

Leo was hired 2 years later and never seen again.

Bizarre.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
And for what ever reason the Braves had no interest in bringing him back during the down years.
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He didn’t have a great reputation working with younger pitchers. Listening to Leo even now he is definitely a “my way or the highway” type.

I love Leo. Always will. But it’s probably for the best things ended in Atlanta on a high note.
 
Mazzone was overrated. Still a good coach but when you have 3 hall of famers in their pre-primes its easy to get good production out of the rest of your staff.
 
thethe said:
Mazzone was overrated. Still a good coach but when you have 3 hall of famers in their pre-primes its easy to get good production out of the rest of your staff.
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He absolutely was not overrated. 0.63 improvement in ERA average for pitchers with Braves/Leo versus elsewhere.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2005/03/the_mazzone_eff_1.php

Anecdotally, Jaret Wright, John Burkett, Mike Remlinger, Damian Moss, Chris Hammond, just off the top of my head. Leo was a boss.
 
MLBTR arbitration projections are out - AA's going to have to make some seriously tough decisions this winter if they're close (and they typically are)...

Dansby - $10,100,000
Fried - $7,100,000
Riley - $4,300,000
Jackson - $3,800,000
Rodriguez - $3,100,000
Soroka - $2,800,000
Minter - $2,100,000
Arcia - $2,100,000
Heredia - $1,600,000
Matzek - $1,500,000
Camargo - $1,400,000
Dayton - $1,200,000
Santana - $1,000,000
Newk - $900,000

Assuming they choose to let Duvall, Pederson, and Tomlin walk and Rodriguez, Arcia, Camargo, and Dayton are DFAd that puts payroll at just over $145 million if Freddie gets $25 million and Ozuna is part of the roster. That's with Pache/Heredia as your CFs, Contreras as your backup C, Anderson, Ynoa, and Muller as your #3/#4/#5 SPs, a pen of Smith, Jackson, Matzek, Webb, Minter, Santana, Lee, and Touki with no LF and two open bench spots - and that's IF Acuna were somehow ready for Opening Day (which isn't likely going to happen). DFAing Minter and replacing him with Davidson/Newk/Strider/Elder/veteran making the minimum would shave off another million and a half or so.

That would leave roughly $7 million to sign a LF, backup SS, and final bench piece. 2022 payroll's obviously going to have to be over $150 million - exercising Pederson's option would push you past that, but you could try to get by with him in RF, Ozuna in LF, and a rotating DH until Acuna's back if you think Rosario or Duvall will get more than $7.5 million (and/or multiple years) on the open market.
 
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clvclv said:
MLBTR arbitration projections are out - AA's going to have to make some seriously tough decisions this winter if they're close (and they typically are)...

Dansby - $10,100,000
Fried - $7,100,000
Riley - $4,300,000
Jackson - $3,800,000
Rodriguez - $3,100,000
Soroka - $2,800,000
Minter - $2,100,000
Arcia - $2,100,000
Heredia - $1,600,000
Matzek - $1,500,000
Camargo - $1,400,000
Dayton - $1,200,000
Santana - $1,000,000
Newk - $900,000

Assuming they choose to let Duvall, Pederson, and Tomlin walk and Rodriguez, Arcia, Camargo, and Dayton are DFAd that puts payroll at just over $145 million if Freddie gets $25 million and Ozuna is part of the roster. That's with Pache/Heredia as your CFs, Contreras as your backup C, Anderson, Ynoa, and Muller as your #3/#4/#5 SPs, a pen of Smith, Jackson, Matzek, Webb, Minter, Santana, Lee, and Touki with no LF and two open bench spots - and that's IF Acuna were somehow ready for Opening Day (which isn't likely going to happen). DFAing Minter and replacing him with Davidson/Newk/Strider/Elder/veteran making the minimum would shave off another million and a half or so.

That would leave roughly $7 million to sign a LF, backup SS, and final bench piece. 2022 payroll's obviously going to have to be over $150 million - exercising Pederson's option would push you past that, but you could try to get by with him in RF, Ozuna in LF, and a rotating DH until Acuna's back if you think Rosario or Duvall will get more than $7.5 million (and/or multiple years) on the open market.
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Nice work.

The Rodriguez deal looked good because the acquisition price was so reasonable. I don't know if they let him go or not, but he's been a disappointment and I was really surprised he wasn't on the post-season roster.

A month ago, I thought Duvall was a lock to be back, but his option is mutual and I wouldn't be surprised if he opted out and tried to get a firm multi-year deal somewhere. I don't like him that much as a player, but the DH can cover a guy like that to some extent. I can't see Pederson at $10 MM (his mutual option number). If you can put up with Rosario's brain f*rts, lousy plate discipline, and uneven defense, he may be a reasonably-priced option.

Interesting off-season ahead. It would be nice if we could truly count on Pache to be ready.
 
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