Around the League - 2021 Szn

Russ2dollas said:
I think the easy answer to this is MLB makes a mix and says this is what you are allowed to use. You put a tub of it on the back of the mound instead of the rosin bag.
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This seems like a logical solution. Create something that is uniform and that gives pitchers the grip/consistency that they need without dramatically improving the effectiveness of their pitches.
 
Enscheff said:
They didn’t care because they didn’t know the advantage gained by dramatically increasing spin rate. Pitchers also weren’t using the exotic stuff like spider tack back then because it didn’t exist. In fact, I bet all those guys in your poll still don’t know about it, and spend most of their time talking about “back in my day”.
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Again, I don't have an issue with outlawing spider tac. But I do think they've gone to extreme's to try and curb the use of it.

I've talked to 6 former players. 1 of them is a friend of my FIL and a former ML relief pitcher for the Mets and Orioles. He's definitely on the older side, but he confirmed what everyone basically knows, which is that pretty much every pitcher regularly used stuff to get better grips on the ball. He says everyone on the team knew it and not one player remotely cared.

The other guys I know never made it to majors or only played college ball. They're all younger than 32 though, so definitely not old foggies. But they all agree it's extremely common throughout the minors/college. And all of them were completely aware what Spider tac was well before it became a household name recently. I doubt they know much about spin rates and advanced analytical data, but they were keenly aware it produces the best results.
 
Carp said:
Again, I don't have an issue with outlawing spider tac. But I do think they've gone to extreme's to try and curb the use of it.

I've talked to 6 former players. 1 of them is a friend of my FIL and a former ML relief pitcher for the Mets and Orioles. He's definitely on the older side, but he confirmed what everyone basically knows, which is that pretty much every pitcher regularly used stuff to get better grips on the ball. He says everyone on the team knew it and not one player remotely cared.

The other guys I know never made it to majors or only played college ball. They're all younger than 32 though, so definitely not old foggies. But they all agree it's extremely common throughout the minors/college. And all of them were completely aware what Spider tac was well before it became a household name recently. I doubt they know much about spin rates and advanced analytical data, but they were keenly aware it produces the best results.
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What they haven't asked their self is how does an umpire know the difference between Spidertack and rosin/sunscreen?

It's all or nothing. Umps have a hard enough time doing balls and strikes. Are we giving them a hand held spectrometer and they analyze the substance?

Pitchers brought this on themselves.
MLB lost all credibility by everything under Manfred and especially the multiple changes to the ball w/o union. Everyone was ok with the pitchers driving 5 mph over the limit, but many went to driving 25 mph over and that's not ok. And in this case we don't have a radar gun to only catch the super cheaters so everyone is getting a regulator on the engine. Go yell at Cole.
 
In an article in The Athletic, Bowden listed the 75 most likely deadline trade candidates and ranks the likelihood of their being traded. No Braves listed as candidates to be traded and only two (Haniger and Peralta) are listed as players who would be good fits for the Braves. Kind of a lazy article, but it makes me think that we won't be sellers unless the floor caves in.

And for those pining for the return of Duvall (yes, I've seen it here), Bowden accurately assesses him as a starter on a non-contender and a 4/5 OF for a contender.
 
The way Pache and Waters are struggling, AA doesn't have a truck to back up if he wanted to try to trade for anyone at this point.
 
clvclv said:
The way Pache and Waters are struggling, AA doesn't have a truck to back up if he wanted to try to trade for anyone at this point.
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This has been the biggest criticism of AA easily. He has let prospects that had enormous value at one time flounder until their value is slim to none. It’s pretty bad that we are going to possibly have nothing to show for Waters/Pache/Wright/Touki/Wilson, etc...
 
zbhargrove said:
This has been the biggest criticism of AA easily. He has let prospects that had enormous value at one time flounder until their value is slim to none. It’s pretty bad that we are going to possibly have nothing to show for Waters/Pache/Wright/Touki/Wilson, etc...
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I can see your point on Waters, who has always had sketchy peripherals to go with the insane BABIP along with divided opinion on his future ceiling from the scouting community, but Pache has gotten high marks and increasingly positive reviews as he moved up the minor league ladder. That said, Anthopoulos' MO in Toronto was moving prospects for major league players and I thought he would have little problem trading away some of our top drawer guys. He did move Allard (whose star had dimmed) and Wentz, but I am a bit surprised he hasn't been more willing to move guys. I still think (and I might be alone) that the ripple effects of the international sanctions have made him more conservative on trading guys.
 
50PoundHead said:
I can see your point on Waters, who has always had sketchy peripherals to go with the insane BABIP along with divided opinion on his future ceiling from the scouting community, but Pache has gotten high marks and increasingly positive reviews as he moved up the minor league ladder. That said, Anthopoulos' MO in Toronto was moving prospects for major league players and I thought he would have little problem trading away some of our top drawer guys. He did move Allard (whose star had dimmed) and Wentz, but I am a bit surprised he hasn't been more willing to move guys. I still think (and I might be alone) that the ripple effects of the international sanctions have made him more conservative on trading guys.
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Allard is doing well now
 
msstate7 said:
Allard is doing well now
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Allard's star had dimmed in our eyes when we traded him and he went in a now-for-later deal. If the brain trust thought he was still going to be somebody in the short term for the Braves, they never would have traded him.

We'll see how Allard does. He may turn into a decent mid-to-back end of the rotation starter.
 
Details have started to come out from the 67 page restraining order against Bauer.

“A domestic violence restraining order filed against Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer and executed on June 28 includes multiple graphic images from the woman who filed the request,” Ghiroli and Strange wrote. “The woman, in the 67-page ex-parte document, said that Bauer assaulted her on two different occasions. Together, the woman said those two incidents included Bauer punching her in the face, vagina, and buttocks, sticking his fingers down her throat, and strangling her to the point where she lost consciousness multiple times.”

Bauers' camp claims that everything was consensual and she even continued to contact him after the events.

This is completely different than the Ozuna case of course, but the details are quite graphic.
 
50PoundHead said:
I can see your point on Waters, who has always had sketchy peripherals to go with the insane BABIP along with divided opinion on his future ceiling from the scouting community, but Pache has gotten high marks and increasingly positive reviews as he moved up the minor league ladder. That said, Anthopoulos' MO in Toronto was moving prospects for major league players and I thought he would have little problem trading away some of our top drawer guys. He did move Allard (whose star had dimmed) and Wentz, but I am a bit surprised he hasn't been more willing to move guys. I still think (and I might be alone) that the ripple effects of the international sanctions have made him more conservative on trading guys.
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Including Pache’s name was probably unfair. I was always high on him. I just can’t believe how far he’s fallen so quickly. I’m still hopeful for him but things are pretty awful at the moment.
 
zbhargrove said:
This has been the biggest criticism of AA easily. He has let prospects that had enormous value at one time flounder until their value is slim to none. It’s pretty bad that we are going to possibly have nothing to show for Waters/Pache/Wright/Touki/Wilson, etc...
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The problem with those who scream that AA held on to certain prospects too long is that they're EXACTLY the same people who would have been the first ones to scream bloody murder if he'd have traded them and they became successful somewhere else (myself included).

Sorry, but you can't have it both ways - a lot of the same people screaming about Pache, Waters, and Wright now would also be the first to criticize him if he'd have traded them before or by now.

You don't get cheap regulars/rotation pieces if you trade them when they first struggle - how many of us have been trying to trade Riley for three years???
 
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