Around The Majors 2019
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cajunrevenge
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Wright for Bumgarner and Smith! The Giants should jump all over that future value.......
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UNCBlue012
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Don’t let the underlying numbers hit you when he regresses.
That said, no one is against trading for Bumgarner and Smith. Most of us, myself included, are against trading for the price tag.
That said, no one is against trading for Bumgarner and Smith. Most of us, myself included, are against trading for the price tag.
zbhargrove
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Quite honestly, MadBum's peripherals pretty much look exactly like the results at this point. 3.65 ERA/3.69 FIP/3.97 xFIP/2.2 fWAR
His velocity is back up and his K-rate is higher than his career average while his BB-rate is lower than his career average. All of this while hitters are getting a bit lucky (.307 BABIP vs. a career BABIP of .285).
The concern is more in the statcast data (.329 xwOBA vs MLB average of .318)... looks like this is because the contact he's giving up is hard (Hard Hit% of 41.3% this year compared to his career numbers of 33.5%. Average exit velocity is also up to 89.3 mph from a career mark of 87.6 mph).
Still, looking at the peripherals, MadBum is quite a bit more interesting to me than he used to be, but I'm afraid someone will still pay much more for him than I really want to. But MadBum may actually be back somewhat. Still can't look at those numbers and say anything close to ace, but he would certainly help the team if the price is right.
zbhargrove
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xwOBA does not completely agree with your sentiment. This is not insignificant. His rough hard hit % is going to hurt him outside of his cavernous park.
And he's still not pitching like a 1\2 you act like he is.
msstate7
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He's been pretty dang good of late.
Last 8 starts:
K9 - 9.46
Bb9 - 1.97
Babip - .303
Era - 2.96
Fip - 3.26
msstate7
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At 21 starts, bumgarner is at 2.2 fWAR. I think 32 starts is a safe bet, so that would have him at ~ 3.4 fWAR at current pace. The braves have 2 pitchers that have hit that mark in the organization, Julio (once) and folty (last year); soroka is likely to do it this year too.
ETA... to be fair, BR doesn't like him near as much, 1.0 WAR
ETA... to be fair, BR doesn't like him near as much, 1.0 WAR
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I dont believe xwOBA is a predictor. It tells you about performance but rolling 10 game samples are also inportant to look at.
Bumgarner comtinues to improve as he moves further away from his fluke injuries. HOF pitcher in his prime right now.
Keep up this thoughy and he will continue to improve
UNCBlue012
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You're hopelessly optimistic.
Again, folks don’t understand how pitching in an extreme pitchers Park affects his ERA/FIP/xFIP. These same folks don’t even know why it would despite being explained countless times.
Yes, he is a solid MLB pitcher. Yes, he would be an upgrade to the back end of the rotation. Yes, he would be a good pickup for the right price. Yes, he will pitch good games, just like all solid MLB pitchers will.
No, he is not a TOR stud. He is a #4 with inflated overall results due to the ballpark, and a name folks can’t disassociate with some great playoff performances.
Yes, he is a solid MLB pitcher. Yes, he would be an upgrade to the back end of the rotation. Yes, he would be a good pickup for the right price. Yes, he will pitch good games, just like all solid MLB pitchers will.
No, he is not a TOR stud. He is a #4 with inflated overall results due to the ballpark, and a name folks can’t disassociate with some great playoff performances.
You can cherry pick anything to suit your stats. What were his stats in his 6 starts before his last 2 (basically all of June)? How about an ERA and FIP north of 4.