zbhargrove
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Man... I'd have a real tough time doing something like that based on one year.
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Man... I'd have a real tough time doing something like that based on one year.
Hudson2
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No way I’d give Swanson anywhere close to that. I’d rather offer Correa 3/105, that would give us time to let Grissom or somebody else step up.
I seriously doubt he ends up being forced to take such a deal. He will probably get very close to the $300M he was looking for last off season. It's hard to remember Correa is still the youngest FA SS on the market.
Turner should be able to get something voer $250M, and Xander not much below that even though he's not very good defensively.
Given those monster deals, Swanson at $120M is going to look like a great option for several teams who want a legit SS, but don't want to hand out a mega deal.
I still think slow playing the SS is the way to go, but I have no idea what the backup plan would be because Arcia ain't it. I bet the Dodgers get one of Correa/Turner, the Cubs get the other or Xander, and the BoSox just stick with Story at SS. That seems like the Braves will be in the drivers seat for Swanson and whoever of the Top 3 guys is left with no real buyers left to jack up the price. One of the dumb rebuilding teams like the O's or Tigers might do something stupid though like the Rangers last year and mess everything up.
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chop2chip
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Phillies have been long rumored to be in the SS market. Dombrowski's only skill as a GM is sweet talking insecure owners into spending money (team building isn't his thing), so that could be your candidate for Ranger'ing the FA market this year.
Agreed, but at some point the Phillies have to wake up and realize they are completely inept and blow things up. If that doesn't happen this offseason I could see them jumping into the SS market too.
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I mean, I just don't see him as a realistic option for a true WS contender, and if AA is going to bluff then the option has to at least seem realistic. Remember, we were talking about Arcia as a guy who made an adjustment and was now possibly an .800 OPS bat as recently as a month ago. He has fallen off a cliff since, and I doubt he's made much meaningful improvements.
Additionally, there aren't many other places to spend. The only impact OFer is Judge, and I'd be shocked if AA can pry him away from NY. The only other impact position players are the 4 SSs, so it seems like AA is almost forced to buy one.
Hudson2
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There’s always that 1 team that comes out of no where and does something stupid. AA may not slow play anything. He may wanna grab the guy he wants first and be damned. He’s came out of the gate hot a few times like with Smith and Smyly. The Dodgers will spend to keep Turner. That’ll leave us and whoever else competing to get one of the other 3.
bravesfanMatt
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We are also still stuck with Rosey and Ozuna next year making an impact OF less of a priority. Hopefully we get something good at the break that can play next year so AA only has to worry about pitching and SS as a position of needs.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
It seems like it is going to cost a fortune to have a quality SS next year.
I love Riley, but his range is bad. Having a non-quality SS next to him could be a big problem.
If they think Grissom can play SS, maybe it's him. No way I would have said that before they moved Harris up. Shewmake/Arcia could be the answer at SS if they are going to get impact bats at LF AND DH.
With Dansby, Correa, Turner and Xander out there, are there really 4 teams willing to spend big on SS? I guess that is the slow play option mentioned above. But if you do that, I think you have to be willing to end up with Arcia if you lose that game of chicken.
The problem I have, is there are not a bunch of obvious answers out there at DH and LF. IF there were, that would be my preference. Get two impact bats that have less of a concern about aging. Dansby worries me that slowing down b/c of age or injury will tank his value fast. I'd be ok with a couple of mashers and just punt SS on offense. Because I do think Harris is going to be a competent hitter and not a glove only guy long term.
I love Riley, but his range is bad. Having a non-quality SS next to him could be a big problem.
If they think Grissom can play SS, maybe it's him. No way I would have said that before they moved Harris up. Shewmake/Arcia could be the answer at SS if they are going to get impact bats at LF AND DH.
With Dansby, Correa, Turner and Xander out there, are there really 4 teams willing to spend big on SS? I guess that is the slow play option mentioned above. But if you do that, I think you have to be willing to end up with Arcia if you lose that game of chicken.
The problem I have, is there are not a bunch of obvious answers out there at DH and LF. IF there were, that would be my preference. Get two impact bats that have less of a concern about aging. Dansby worries me that slowing down b/c of age or injury will tank his value fast. I'd be ok with a couple of mashers and just punt SS on offense. Because I do think Harris is going to be a competent hitter and not a glove only guy long term.
Correa also doesn’t have to opt out right? He could hold another year.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
They are sunk costs. Maybe you can move Ozuna b/c he will only have two years on the deal and he hit 30 HR.
If you have no Jansen, Smith, Duvall and Dansby that is 50 million right there. Maybe 60 million if someone bites on Ozuna if we pay 8 million of his deal? Rosario as a too expensive bench option for a year isn't horrible. Still stupid we gave him 2 years but it isn't horrible.
chop2chip
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He's having a very good though not great year. Still would be surprised if he didn't opt out. If he didn't find the contract of his dreams coming off a career year at 27, he's going to have his heart broken with what clubs offer at age 28 coming off a modest season.
Which is why he might be a very good candidate to be the one whose left holding the bag at the end of free agency, per ensheff's prophecy of the SS who waited too long.
Hudson2
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70 million coming off if Morton’s option isn’t picked up or he retires. We have the money to get whatever players AA wants to keep going for it. Hopefully Grissom ends the season playing like he is and we can nab somebody on a 1 year deal.
Probably not a poplar opinion... but if you are going to overpay for a SS you might be well served to overpay for the guy you know who is from the area and plays great defense. I know we want to upgrade if possible, but lesser defense from Xander, higher price for Turner, and Correa kinda controlling his own market (at least right now), suggests that a small overpay for Dansby could be the least risky of the available options.
PawPawMaxwell
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Any consideration to moving Riley back to LF? What 3rdb may be of interest.
Since 2020 Swanson has a 111 WRC+ and the 3rd highest fWAR among SS. He's an elite defender that seemingly has turned it around offensively. He's going to get paid. The Braves are going to need a quality SS out there. Keeping Dansby might not be the worst idea. Another tough offseason for AA.
SS is definitely a position I'm not paying for a guy on the wrong side of 30. Especially one that get a good chunk of his value derived from the defensive side of the ball.