Attack in London

Again. I always find it hilarious when people start mocking with religion of peace etc. Its Ramadan Holy Month. My Muslim friends are fasting and praying. Make fun of the peaceful Muslims with "religion of peace" then surprised when the same Muslims don't wanna fight their own in Syria and want to flee away to a peaceful country. Alienating the good Muslims by mocking them just makes groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda stronger.

Whats more annoying to me is like the Manchester bomber these guys have been banned from their mosques and the police knew about them for a while and didn't do any intervention. But that's the double edged sword. Can't actually do anything until you catch them in the act.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Again. I always find it hilarious when people start mocking with religion of peace etc. Its Ramadan Holy Month. My Muslim friends are fasting and praying. Make fun of the peaceful Muslims with "religion of peace" then surprised when the same Muslims don't wanna fight their own in Syria and want to flee away to a peaceful country. Alienating the good Muslims by mocking them just makes groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda stronger.

Whats more annoying to me is like the Manchester bomber these guys have been banned from their mosques and the police knew about them for a while and didn't do any intervention. But that's the double edged sword. Can't actually do anything until you catch them in the act.
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Terrorists acts should be treated like any other murder crime and talk of "terror" should be avoided like the plague. That's exactly the result they want.
 
sturg33 said:
Using these events to take away our freedom is a big concern.

The terrorists aren't doing it.
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I'd rather just stop these animals from getting into our country and keep all of our freedoms. It's one or the other if you ask me
 
thethe said:
I'd rather just stop these animals from getting into our country and keep all of our freedoms. It's one or the other if you ask me
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The UK has been pretty strict on refugees compared to their friend across the channel. Cameron I believe instituted a policy of only allowing children refugees that didn't have parents.

But these assholes were in the U.K. long before the Syrian Civil War.

Again, you can talk to mostly any immigration lawyer in US and they will explain to you how stringent the US's refugee policy is for Syrian refugees. They don't just take anyone. It's a very thorough process that goes though 10 different clearances in multiple security agencies. If you're missing any sort of paperwork you will not be admitted. If there's any sort of suspicion at all or anything on paperwork looks fishy you will not be admitted. No leeway for that at all. I don't know why the right think we're just letting anyone come here. That's not how it works at all. It takes 2 years plus multiple interviews and checks before you even get considered.
 
Forever Fredi said:
The UK has been pretty strict on refugees compared to their friend across the channel. Cameron I believe instituted a policy of only allowing children refugees that didn't have parents.

But these assholes were in the U.K. long before the Syrian Civil War.

Again, you can talk to mostly any immigration lawyer in US and they will explain to you how stringent the US's refugee policy is for Syrian refugees. They don't just take anyone. It's a very thorough process that goes though 10 different clearances in multiple security agencies. If you're missing any sort of paperwork you will not be admitted. If there's any sort of suspicion at all or anything on paperwork looks fishy you will not be admitted. No leeway for that at all. I don't know why the right think we're just letting anyone come here. That's not how it works at all. It takes 2 years plus multiple interviews and checks before you even get considered.
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Do you not see that these groups keep to themselves? The more there are the more they will insituutue their own laws. The UK is suffering from their decisions in the past to let in too many Muslims.
 
thethe said:
Do you not see that these groups keep to themselves? The more there are the more they will insituutue their own laws. The UK is suffering from their decisions in the past to let in too many Muslims.
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If the mosques have continuously reported these extremist assholes to authorities on several occasions what more do you want them to do? And if they were keeping to their own they wouldn't be reporting them to the government authorities.
 
thethe said:
I'd rather just stop these animals from getting into our country and keep all of our freedoms. It's one or the other if you ask me
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Not sure I understand what you're saying here.

Are you willing to allow the government have access to all private citizen information in their efforts to keep us safe?
 
sturg33 said:
Not sure I understand what you're saying here.

Are you willing to allow the government have access to all private citizen information in their efforts to keep us safe?
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I have nothing to hide and if you think there is anything private nowadays you are sadly mistaken.
 
sturg33 said:
Not sure I understand what you're saying here.

Are you willing to allow the government have access to all private citizen information in their efforts to keep us safe?
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I would exhaust all possible option's which would include massive deportations of all non citizens from the middle east as well as monitoring of all mosques. We are not immune to what is happening in Europe. They have just had Muslim populations in their countries for longer than us.
 
thethe said:
I would exhaust all possible option's which would include massive deportations of all non citizens from the middle east as well as monitoring of all mosques. We are not immune to what is happening in Europe. They have just had Muslim populations in their countries for longer than us.
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Exhaust all possible options... so curfews for citizens? Listening devices in all households? All internet activity monitored?
 
Forever Fredi said:
If the mosques have continuously reported these extremist assholes to authorities on several occasions what more do you want them to do? And if they were keeping to their own they wouldn't be reporting them to the government authorities.
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What does continuously mean? Does that mean every mosque is clean?
 
sturg33 said:
Exhaust all possible options... so curfews for citizens? Listening devices in all households? All internet activity monitored?
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Personally I think our problems are solved by doing what I said. I don't want any surveillance. This is not a made up problem. I've been talking about this on these boards for over 10 years. It's gotten even worse than I thought.
 
thethe said:
Personally I think our problems are solved by doing what I said. I don't want any surveillance. This is not a made up problem. I've been talking about this on these boards for over 10 years. It's gotten even worse than I thought.
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I have to agree in light of the Bowling Green Massacre
 
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