basic immigration data

thethe said:
All we know based on what exactly?
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There is a paper on black immigrants that I discussed in a thread titled black immigrants.

There is broader scholarship covering other immigrant groups across different time periods. Summarized nicely in a book titled Streets of Gold by Ram Abramitzky and Leah Boustan.
 
nsacpi said:
There is a paper on black immigrants that I discussed in a thread titled black immigrants.

There is broader scholarship covering other immigrant groups across different time periods. Summarized nicely in a book titled Streets of Gold by Ram Abramitzky and Leah Boustan.
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People that support immigration creating models that show immigration is great!
 
thethe said:
People that support immigration creating models that show immigration is great!
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eh...they looked at the data

for the United States of America no less

the same data are available to everyone willing to do the work of analyzing them
 
nsacpi said:
eh...they looked at the data

for the United States of America no less

the same data are available to everyone willing to do the work of analyzing them
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But why aren't we seeing the same results elsewhere? Are the studies wrong in Denmark/Sweden?
 
thethe said:
But why aren't we seeing the same results elsewhere? Are the studies wrong in Denmark/Sweden?
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When you keep classifying Hispanics as whites in crime data in the United States you get tainted results.

They don't do that in other countries
 
Garmel said:
When you keep classifying Hispanics as whites in crime data in the United States you get tainted results.

They don't do that in other countries
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Yes indeedy - Among other things that are corrupted iwth the US data.

But my main point is that its the US infrastructure that facilitates this. Its not hte underlying immigrant.
 
Garbage in\Garbage out.

Everyone knows that.

Same reason everyone mocked BL relentlessly for only using AI to respond for that year or so until he wised up
 
The mob engages in what economists call rent-seeking behavior. Immigrants produce thangs people value and consume. Huge difference.
 
nsacpi said:
The mob engages in what economists call rent-seeking behavior. Immigrants produce thangs people value and consume. Huge difference.
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Sure - The top ~1000 of them that would be welcomes under a exclusive merit based policy.

The rest are by far a net drain.
 
nsacpi said:
This is hilarity. The aggregate data are too large to be explained by the top 1%.
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The whole point is you take away the 1000 then the picture becomes vastly different.

Same thing if you seperate legal from illegal.

You think I believe that every single immigrant is a drain and thats simply not the case. Removal of the massive positive outliers that would be here with any immigration policy results in a population that on the whole is not good for the host nation. That is exactly why you have high hurdle merit based immigration system and a fully closed border.

YOu also ignore its as much if not more the American infrastructure that breeds 'success' otherwise these other countries would be doing much better with the ballers. This is why migration to EU nation has been a disaster mostly. They also do have an admittingly worse immigrant. Hispanics are generally good Christians with solid work ethic.
 
thethe said:
The whole point is you take away the 1000 then the picture becomes vastly different.

Same thing if you seperate legal from illegal.

You think I believe that every single immigrant is a drain and thats simply not the case. Removal of the massive positive outliers that would be here with any immigration policy results in a population that on the whole is not good for the host nation. THat is exactly why you have high hurdle merit based immigration system and a fully closed border.
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Ive never argued about an individual. Policy should be evaluated based on aggregate data and aggregate outcomes.
 
If immigrants help to drive up the value of assets held by Americans that should be scored as a benefit. The $1 trillion cited by Carney is his number.
 
nsacpi said:
If immigrants help to drive up the value of assets held by Americans that should be scored as a benefit. The $1 trillion cited by Carney is his number.
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LOL - So again, value attributed to the immigrant whereby the immigrant does nothing to generate that value.

What a system!
 
thethe said:
LOL - So again, value attributed to the immigrant whereby the immigrant does nothing to generate that value.

What a system!
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The driver here is population growth. It is an important macro variable that drives lots of thangs including asset prices.

The bottom-line conclusion would not be affected if you zero out that particular effect. Which is that government (federal, state and local) runs a large deficit (about $44 trillion over a 10 year horizon) when it comes to taxes and spending ascribed to native-born Americans and a surplus ($13 trillion over 10 years) when it comes to taxes and spending ascribed to immigrants. No flowers or thank you notes necessary.

There are certain thangs that I think this study should take into account but does not. For example, with a smaller population and economy, the federal interest burden gets larger (on a per capita basis and on a percentage of GDP basis). We are already in problematic territory when it comes to the national debt. But with a significantly smaller tax base, dynamic scoring should take into account that markets would factor in a larger probability of default (including de facto partial default via inflation).

As bad as federal finances look right now, they would look much worse with a smaller tax base.

Fiscal conservatives decry leaving our children with such a large national debt. The burden on them is a lot smaller if immigrants pick up part of the tab.
 
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nsacpi said:
The driver here is population growth. It is an important macro variable that drives lots of thangs including asset prices.
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Got it - so again nothing the immigrant is actually doing but just 'being there'.

Great study to attribute that value for merely existing. But the existence of their children in schools is a drain for the 'native' column.
 
thethe said:
Got it - so again nothing the immigrant is actually doing but just 'being there'.

Great study to attribute that value for merely existing. But the existence of their children in schools is a drain for the 'native' column.
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They certainly are "doing" something. Every time they buy a house they support the overall market and help keep prices higher than would have been the case otherwise. Higher asset prices don't happen without those transactions.
 
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