Beachy Likely to Have 2nd Tommy John Surgery

50PoundHead said:
If that is the case, I'm puzzled as to why Wren didn't go into the market a little more aggressively after Hudson signed with the Giants.
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Because, haven't you heard, we will be able to acquire 2 for the price of 1 if we wait until July. He could have gotten Price but if he waits we will be able to get both Price and Lee right before the deadline at a 1/3 of the cost.
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
Because, haven't you heard, we will be able to acquire 2 for the price of 1 if we wait until July. He could have gotten Price but if he waits we will be able to get both Price and Lee right before the deadline at a 1/3 of the cost.
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Oh, I see. I imagine those guys could be really helpful if we're 10+ games out of the playoff hunt.
 
2 truths seem to come out of this.

First Beachy's career in Atlanta is likely done. I'm sure we'll sign him for next year but he won't be even remotely counted on and will probably have to fight for a spot, which is a damned shame considering how great he was to start his career I was hoping he'd make it through this year before another injury.

Second, I'm pretty sure this settles the argument between myself and zbhargrove (you were martefuture right?) or whoever I got into it with about Beachy's mechanics, you don't have this kind of arm issues without bad mechanics.
 
Wait....people were actually counting on Beachy to not only pitch BUT pitch well this year? Why?
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
Because, haven't you heard, we will be able to acquire 2 for the price of 1 if we wait until July. He could have gotten Price but if he waits we will be able to get both Price and Lee right before the deadline at a 1/3 of the cost.
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Are you being facetious, or suggesting that someone here felt this way?

I ask because, some people here seem to think good pitching grows on trees, and Wren had all kinds of opportunity to easily bolster the depth and chose not to.

Personally, I believe he did pretty much the best he could. I really like low-cost, low-risk signing of Floyd. He could have a very good season at the back end of our rotation. I think you always have to plan for injury to pitching. I guess we missed the boat on Fister, but that happened seemingly quickly, and the Tigers got two guys who are not highly-regarded by pretty much anyone. That was just an odd trade, IMO, and still is.

I do believe we had a lot of depth before the injuries:

Minor

Medlen

Teheran

Beachy

Floyd

Wood

Hale

Garcia

I add Garcia, because like it or not, it's pretty much a fact that he's a solid guy to have..as your 8th option.

Even now, a rotation of

Santana

Teheran

Minor

Wood

Floyd

with Garcia, Hale as next in line is not a bad rotation, or bad depth. Three young guys with room for growth (4 including Hale), Santana who, in all likelihood, will be solid; and Floyd, who was very solid for 4 straight years.

Overall, we will still be a good team. Our offense has a lot of room for growth. I know I've said this, but I think it's reasonable that, provided health, of course, Heyward, Upton, Upton, Simmons, Freeman could ALL improve this coming season compared to last. Uggla can't be much worse, Johnson is likely in for a, albeit probably small, decline, and Gattis is a huge question mark (at least to me). Our offense definitely has a shot to be dynamic, as far as I'm concerned. A lot of young talent.
 
BRule said:
Wait....people were actually counting on Beachy to not only pitch BUT pitch well this year? Why?
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Who is doing this? I don't think I've seen it. I could have missed it.

edit: pretty much everyone has come to the conclusion, at least in this thread, that Beach is out for the year. What are you referring to?
 
yeezus said:
Who is doing this? I don't think I've seen it. I could have missed it.
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Well if you go off peoples reaction in this thread, you would think we lost something of expected value.....why freak out over someone we didn't expect anything from?
 
BRule said:
Well if you go off peoples reaction in this thread, you would think we lost something of expected value.....why freak out over someone we didn't expect anything from?
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Oh, I see.
I think people were moderately hopeful he could pitch at some point. Especially before the Spring began, there was reason to believe coming off TJ he'd be OK, as a lot of guys are these days. The fact that he won't even have the opportunity to pitch, not even give us a slight chance of production, stinks.
 
I don't know if I was exactly COUNTING on him, but I was HOPEFUL that he would be able to give us a good chunk of innings this year. I mean it's almost 2 years since he had TJ surgery, and with the success rate ranging from Smoltz to Hudson, one had to figure that all should be well and he would be able to give us good production. I was as concerned and worried as most were on here with some of the set backs he had last year, but everyone is different and responds differently, but generally the closer you get to 2 years off of that surgery pitchers return to previous levels.

Smoltz came back, and got rocked and hammered as a starter and really struggled with his slider and consistancy when he first came back, until he was relegated to closer role late in the season and looked dominant again, albeit in short stints. I think if we wanted, and didn't choose to go the closer route, which was a need at that point in time, that Smoltzie would have been vintage Smoltzie as a starter in 2002.

Hudson struggled with consitancy and location at first and had a few minor setbacks with discomfort & scar tissue , but looked as good if not better by the 2nd year off of surgery and arguably gave us his best season in a Braves uniform coming off that.

So there was hope, just seemed like we've been getting boned by surgeons lately.
 
Oh, and 50POUNDHEAD, I was referring to Wren's blow smoke up our arse quote of saying multiple times that we can get a better player at considerably lower cost by waiting until mid season to acquire.
 
Millwood, I got that. I guess my point is that if you're ten games out of the playoffs, why not pull another Teixeira deal? I believe we agree.
 
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