Being a bridesmaid sucks!!!

AerchAngel

<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
I came in 2nd on my interview. I wanted this position so bady that even brought in my code to prove I had the skills. For the first time the hiring manager and director actually got back to me which is unheard of.

In the second interview the hiring manager ask this question and I preface the answer of if I answered it I would sound cocky. I try to answer it in the best way I could without sounding cocky.

I actually got to the 3rd interview because of my skillset and this is a SR position and about a 40% pay raise plus I was allow to bring my programming code in and explain it to them.

I got my code out, explain in detail what it does and she impressed but she asked this question and I didn't want to sound cocky. She ask, if you think SAS is better platform than a SQL backend, why didn't you force management to change since you are only one in the department that does it. I told her, I don't make the call and they are skimpy on wanting change and costs involve.

I didn't know that was a deal breaker. She hinted she wanting someone cocky (I am cocky you all know that) but I always thought the customer was right (wrong, you force the customer to acquiesce to you is their mentality).

She said my programming skills far exceed any of their applicants, well in the case only two made it this far. The other guy was a hardass with passable skills and she told me she wanted someone that will break some balls to get things done and she didn't see it in me. I was like WTF, I was taught in interviews to be a people person. I thought I would be part of a team of nerds slamming out code, not push people around.

Then this is the kicker. I am going to recommend you to another department we are not going to let someone of your skills out of our sight if you still interested.

Wife says the job I have is killing me slowly. No vacation more than 2 days, long hours (5:45 to make sure data is transferred or I am screwed for the day) and then work till 5 pm and Fridays are the worst.

I thought I iced the interview, but I have to give the manager credit she weighed us for two days and decide the guy who can be a dick is better than a person who would try to work with you. There still is a chance (please no Dumb and Dumber reference) that the guy comes back with bad credit, a record, or lies about his degree. They had all mine sitting front of their face.

Anyone ever gone to an interview and thought they knocked it out of the park and then found out you came in second?

IT SUCKS!!
 
Kids are rushing me so I don't have time to edit. Just letting you know why I haven't been on.
 
It's a stretch to believe that you couldn't be a ball breaker. ;-)

Hope it breaks your way.
 
The conventional wisdom on interviews is misleading. The most important thing is to make an impression on the person that is interviewing you.
 
The conventional wisdom on interviews is misleading. The most important thing is to make an impression on the person that is interviewing you.

Now you tell me. I told my dad and he said times had change, you don't suck up to anyone anymore being nice and all, you just break their balls and be a bad ass.

Well, they are recommending me to HQ as a lead programmer, which is more money, odd I say. But hey, I am going to submit since the manager has saw my skill and will vouch for me. I sent my work to my cousin in Birmingham and he said he has some peeps at McKesson that is interested, so I have a few avenues opening but I refuse to move, I got it good here.

Yeah, I created the YNOT using my skills but I abandoned it because it dwindled. I am not going to input data on 8 people, not worth it.
 
The conventional wisdom on interviews is misleading. The most important thing is to make an impression on the person that is interviewing you.

Yeah, but to be fair a big black man who can program will already make an impression haha.

I usually go into my interviews with a swagger more than anything else. I'm not a person that's easily forgotten so I just go in there with the idea that the job is mine. I ask weird questions, so on so forth. Hasn't really failed me miserably. I went into one interview not like it cause it was for what I can only call my dream job right now (customer service that pays like sales) and it let me down.
 
Yeah, but to be fair a big black man who can program will already make an impression haha.

I usually go into my interviews with a swagger more than anything else. I'm not a person that's easily forgotten so I just go in there with the idea that the job is mine. I ask weird questions, so on so forth. Hasn't really failed me miserably. I went into one interview not like it cause it was for what I can only call my dream job right now (customer service that pays like sales) and it let me down.

I'm sorry... I just have to ask... customer service is your dream job?
 
I'm sorry... I just have to ask... customer service is your dream job?

I don't necessarily agree with Zito saying its a dream job but I do like customer service and he is saying that it pays like a sales job.
 
Now you tell me. I told my dad and he said times had change, you don't suck up to anyone anymore being nice and all, you just break their balls and be a bad ass.

Well, they are recommending me to HQ as a lead programmer, which is more money, odd I say. But hey, I am going to submit since the manager has saw my skill and will vouch for me. I sent my work to my cousin in Birmingham and he said he has some peeps at McKesson that is interested, so I have a few avenues opening but I refuse to move, I got it good here.

Yeah, I created the YNOT using my skills but I abandoned it because it dwindled. I am not going to input data on 8 people, not worth it.

I wouldn't necessarily go into that much of an extreme. But the quiet confidence isn't always the way to go. I find it more often than not is the inflection of your voice. If you speak in a powerful way then people listen.
 
You should have brought her a copy of all the dickhead moves you made as a mod on the Scout board. That really would've got her all hot and bothered.

Who the hell expects computer programmers to come in being cocky anyway? Sounds like this lady is looking for a stud programmer to come in and rock her world. You need to call her up and let her know that you might be black but you're white where it counts. If you have trouble saying it in a cocky manner, watch Cool As Ice starring Vanilla Ice and just do what he does. I think there will be a good chance that other guy's record comes back rejected.
 
I'm sorry... I just have to ask... customer service is your dream job?

Well my real dream job is head brewer but I'm years from that. But if I coud sit on my ass, answer questions and get paid 50-60K to start doing it? That makes me drool a little
 
I wouldn't necessarily go into that much of an extreme. But the quiet confidence isn't always the way to go. I find it more often than not is the inflection of your voice. If you speak in a powerful way then people listen.

Is this my brother talking? Because he said the exact thing and he one of the VP of Starbucks. I really appreciate the advices, honestly I do, because this is some good stuff.
 
Customer Service by AA

AA: GOOD Morning, sir. How may my BIG, loveable and intelligent self impress you today?

Customer: Uh…. well…

AA: Let me stop you right there. You’re probably surprised to see a Bla-- I mean, an Af-foREE-Ameri-CAN in a job like this.

Customer: What?

AA: You know they wanted me to run the whole company.

C: They did?

AA: That’s right, but I said, “No siree, can’t do it. The customers need my expertise and selfless devotion.”

C: That’s nice.

AA: By the way, I played a little pro ball in Europe.

C: Huh?

AA: Sure did.

C: Okay. Well, here’s my receipt. Looks like a mixup on the order.

AA: Let ol’ AA take a look at that. … uh huh…uh huh. I see where YOU screwed up.

C: Pardon me.

AA: Yep! But don’t worry. Lot a folks do that.

C: They do?

AA: Sure do, but ya know what, ol’ AA would never make that mistake. Know why?

C: Why?

AA: Well, I’ll tell ya. In fact, got the perfect little anecdote illustrate. You aren’t in a hurry are ya?

C: Actually I am.

AA: Good. You’re gonna love this. You see, you probably think I’m a liberal, but I’m neither on the right or the left……

C: :sleeping:
 
Is this my brother talking? Because he said the exact thing and he one of the VP of Starbucks. I really appreciate the advices, honestly I do, because this is some good stuff.

Sadly, its the result of being in corporate america and some customer service jobs early in my life. Some good things come of it but I'm still a slave. Hopefully in a few years I will get to call the shots.
 
Sadly, its the result of being in corporate america and some customer service jobs early in my life. Some good things come of it but I'm still a slave. Hopefully in a few years I will get to call the shots.

It's really simply about performance. I'm a business manager now and am managing 5 people now and I'm only 24. I started as a client specialist 2 years ago but got two contracts signed with AMZ and Home Depot that brought in millions. If you bring in far more money then they are paying you, they will take notice.
 
It's really simply about performance. I'm a business manager now and am managing 5 people now and I'm only 24. I started as a client specialist 2 years ago but got two contracts signed with AMZ and Home Depot that brought in millions. If you bring in far more money then they are paying you, they will take notice.

I'm glad you have seen success early in your life. Unfortunately, not everyone knows what they have to do at an early age. Takes others a few more years to figure it out.
 
It's really simply about performance. I'm a business manager now and am managing 5 people now and I'm only 24. I started as a client specialist 2 years ago but got two contracts signed with AMZ and Home Depot that brought in millions. If you bring in far more money then they are paying you, they will take notice.

Good your company gave you a shot to advance but in the end it really isn't just simply about performance. Performance gets you far but it doesn't get you to the top. Who you know is more important.
 
Good your company gave you a shot to advance but in the end it really isn't just simply about performance. Performance gets you far but it doesn't get you to the top. Who you know is more important.

I don't agree with that. If you're in a good company performance means everything.
 
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