Ben Carson: Muslim shouldn't be president

Fear of a Muslim Planet: Carson, Trump, and the Cowards of the Right -

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015...-trump-and.html#sthash.MTm5dzPn.84V89Dhb.dpuf

" in our war against, oh, hell, let's say violent, extremist Muslims, we're at the point where, chances are, ****'s more or less done. Sure, there will still be small incidents here and there - But here, in the U.S., where the only "plots" to blow up something are started by bored FBI agents needing to justify a paycheck, we had our freak-out moment, we've lost our minds and stayed crazy, to a large extent, but, mostly, it's time to ****in' move on to the next villain."
 
weso1 said:
Well, look at how bad Obama has been as president. I agree with him.
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How has Obama been so bad? Please tell me because I'm eager to learn.

His administration has been good for Wall Street while bringing health care to millions. It's been scandal free, as much as humanly possible with Reps sharks circling for blood 24/7. He inherited a disastrous foreign policy situation and hasn't started any major wars. I understand why Dems and folks on the left don't like him but I don't think the right has any legitimate gripe.
 
The economic recovery has been very poor.

His handling of Iraq was a failure, imo. It allowed ISIS to grow into what it is today.

Lied to the american people about the healthcare bill. Made it much less responsive and made it so that half of the physicians in which the poorest people live don't actually accept new medicaid patients. It's terrible plan that will have to be repealed and replaced.

Elected terrible liberal judges.

Common Core

Terrible on illegal immigration

Terrible Iran deal

Terrible on North Korea

Terrible on Putin

Couldn't negotiate with pubs

NSA scandal

No president would have started a war after the Iraq disaster. I really don't see that as a huge accomplishment. I guess it is one now after Iraq.
 
weso1 said:
The economic recovery has been very poor. Well America's CEOs and Stock Market would definitely argue with you on this one, but for what little is left of America's middle class I would have to agree.

His handling of Iraq was a failure, imo. It allowed ISIS to grow into what it is today. Agree, ISIS was actually created by western governments, including ours right? Not saying all this is Obama's fault but he's certainly among the guilty.

Lied to the american people about the healthcare bill. Made it much less responsive and made it so that half of the physicians in which the poorest people live don't actually accept new medicaid patients. It's terrible plan that will have to be repealed and replaced. Not sure if he lied on purpose but it sure didn't turn out like he promised so I suppose it works out about the same way.

Elected terrible liberal judges.--Not sure about this one, who did he elect? Nominated? Sure, but both parties' president nominates people who agree with him, I'm not convinced any of Obamas POS nominees are that much worse, if any, than W's POS nominees, and I remind you that 5 of the 9 justices up there now are Repub nominated. Just saying...

Common Core--You know since I'm a teacher and have been for the past 20+ years you'd think I'd at least have some knowledge of/experience with Common Core, but to be honest I don't know Jack Schidt about it. I do have several friends, some in education some not, but the very next person I talk to who likes Common Core, will also be the first person I've ever talked to who likes it so I guess I"ll have to agree on this one.

Terrible on illegal immigration--True but so has pretty much every other president for the past 3 or 4 decades. W was a little better but nothing to write home about, and I know you're too good and honest/reasonable a guy to throw that old "well that was a different time" when I bring up Reagan's amnesty thing, right?

Terrible Iran deal-True, while a lot of people like the Iran deal, I don't trust it because I don't trust Iran, not as far as I can throw former Iranian president Amdneadnoldjerdidad. Who knows for sure, but if/when this deal proves to be a bust I won't be among the surprised.

Terrible on North Korea-yes, but again who hasn't been. I think I have told the story before about Dr. Monica Crowley on O'Reilly a long time ago and she talked about how Bill Clinton had made a TREATY with North Korea (and the loathing was such that you could cut it with a knife) then she talked about how President George W. Bush had made a TREATY with North Korea and you could see the signs on her face and her blouse literally looked like (and I ****e you not) she had walked into a VERY cold wind. The fact of the matter is, compared to North Korea, Iran looks trustworthy IMO.

Terrible on Putin-True, but again Obama isn't the one who talked about being able to look into Putin's eyes and see the good person who lived in his soul. WTF??? That guy is a thug, a terrorist, and a Hitler/Stalin wannabe. Any president who trusts him with a vintage Elect George McGovern president button is making a mistake.

Couldn't negotiate with pubs--OK I gotta call you on this one. As little as Obama tried to negotiate with the Pubs you have to admit that they literally got together when he was first elected and vowed to not work with him on ANYTHING. Not that he would have, but I really can't see anyone who could work with this bunch, even a good president (like those actually exist).



NSA scandal--Agree. I do think you could trace their "froginess" back to the Patriot Act which is straight from President, "You Know Who", but still it's on his watch, so lay it on him.

No president would have started a war after the Iraq disaster. I really don't see that as a huge accomplishment. I guess it is one now after Iraq. Disagree here, President Cheney as already spoken numerous times about his ongoing warlike nature and I believe Iran was/is the target his (and KBR's next $40 Billion endeavor). Oh and the worthless POS US Senator from Arkansas Tom Cotton was elected on the premise that he would go to war the first chance he got (to protect America of course).
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I will add one for you though, The Fast and the Furious fiasco. I know that was Obama's POS Attorney General, but still he's in charge therefore it's his responsibility.



weso I enjoy debating with you because even though you're an ardent conservative you are usually pretty good at seeing/admitting the truth regardless of who it helps/hurts. My responses are above in bold print, I couldn't find the plain red font. :icon_biggrin:
 
wow, Carson steps outta bounds so, let's talk about Obama. And, leave the facts out. Shoot I coulda turned on Hannity and Colmes and heard the same discussion.. Constitution ? This particular thread points out Carson has no idea of the Constitution --- tell me, the first sentence of the 1st Ammendment ? But, Obama has no regard for the constitution. I have been regular on this board for well over ten years and lately I want to shower after reading some of the non sense somma y'all write
 
Oklahomahawk said:
I will add one for you though, The Fast and the Furious fiasco. I know that was Obama's POS Attorney General, but still he's in charge therefore it's his responsibility.

weso I enjoy debating with you because even though you're an ardent conservative you are usually pretty good at seeing/admitting the truth regardless of who it helps/hurts. My responses are above in bold print, I couldn't find the plain red font. :icon_biggrin:
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I don't really have a reply. I think you made good points.
 
57Brave said:
wow, Carson steps outta bounds so, let's talk about Obama. And, leave the facts out. Shoot I coulda turned on Hannity and Colmes and heard the same discussion.. Constitution ? This particular thread points out Carson has no idea of the Constitution --- tell me, the first sentence of the 1st Ammendment ? But, Obama has no regard for the constitution. I have been regular on this board for well over ten years and lately I want to shower after reading some of the non sense somma y'all write
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I guess I'll be the one that says it. I don't have a problem with what Carson said. I wouldn't vote for a true practicing Muslim for president. I don't think many of you liberals really would either. I don't think Carson was saying that a Muslim couldn't be president. He was just saying that he wouldn't support a Muslim for the presidency. He's a devout christian so his position really isn't that absurd.
 
now tell me, what Obama has said or done that compares to what Carson proposes, health care ? I am disappointed you would make such a comparison
 
why care any ones faith ? I disagree with a host of proclaimed Christians - but the fact th ed y profess Christianity has nothing to do with them getting the pot holes in the streets filled
 
57Brave said:
why care any ones faith ? I disagree with a host of proclaimed Christians - but the fact th ed y profess Christianity has nothing to do with them getting the pot holes in the streets filled
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I would vote for an agnostic muslim. A true practicing muslim who took their faith seriously? I don't think I'd vote for that person, the same way you'll never vote for Huckabee. That's the point I think Carson was making. I don't have a problem with that. I appreciate the honesty.
 
Obama has governed more like a closet atheist.

Can't wait for the day we have an openly Atheist candidate running for POTUS.
 
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