Best trade partner?

bravescountry said:
MEADOWS IS THE ANSWER TO OUR OF PROBLEMS!!!!
Only problem is that the Pirates are prospect and money savvy :/
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Yeah, I don't think the Pirates would overpay for Teheran. Any trade with them would likely be fair value. Red Sox might overpay. Rangers and Mariners might. Not the Pirates. And I might add not the Indians. Smart smaller to mid market teams like the Indians and Pirates realize they are not really in a position to do something like that.
 
nsacpi said:
Yeah, I don't think the Pirates would overpay for Teheran. Any trade with them would likely be fair value. Red Sox might overpay. Rangers and Mariners might. Not the Pirates. And I might add not the Indians. Smart smaller to mid market teams like the Indians and Pirates realize they are not really in a position to do something like that.
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I think under normal circumstances you might be right. However, there comes a time when each team sees it's window and either goes through it or watches it close. Right now the Pirates have McCutchen and a strong outfield. Once their current players get some arby time or goes FA, their window closes. it depends on how much they want a ring.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
However, there comes a time when each team sees it's window and either goes through it or watches it close.
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Teams like the Pirates and Indians have a lot of institutional memory about the extremely long period of time they spent in the wilderness. They don't want to go back to the wilderness. They realize that doing an overpay in which they trade future for present is precisely the kind of move that will send them back to the wilderness. Going for it in Year X is a luxury that the bigger market teams can afford. Not teams like the Indians and Pirates. Let's see what happens at the deadline. Interestingly, the A's are a team that did such a move in the Russell-Samardzija trade. I think Beane is a different kind of GM. But that trade didn't work very well for the A's and I think will be a cautionary tale for teams like the Pirates and Indians (not that they need one).
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I think under normal circumstances you might be right. However, there comes a time when each team sees it's window and either goes through it or watches it close. Right now the Pirates have McCutchen and a strong outfield. Once their current players get some arby time or goes FA, their window closes. it depends on how much they want a ring.
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Pirates have Marte and Polanco signed for another 4-5 years.

McCutchen may leave if he hits FA.

But not sure they'd overpay
 
Heyward said:
Pirates have Marte and Polanco signed for another 4-5 years.

McCutchen may leave if he hits FA.

But not sure they'd overpay
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Agree with what you and nsacpi are saying BUT Meadows plays a position where they are set for the next couple of years at least. It's not like they are trading him with a glaring, unavoidable hole in the OF approaching next year. I think they would be MUCH more reluctant to part with pitching.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Agree with what you and nsacpi are saying BUT Meadows plays a position where they are set for the next couple of years at least. It's not like they are trading him with a glaring, unavoidable hole in the OF approaching next year. I think they would be MUCH more reluctant to part with pitching.
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I'm just trying to look at this from the Pirates perspective. I think they move one of their major league outfielders when Meadow is ready. And the Pirates will manage his service close shrewdly. So I'm guessing a major league debut in 2018.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm just trying to look at this from the Pirates perspective. I think they move one of their major league outfielders when Meadow is ready. And the Pirates will manage his service close shrewdly. So I'm guessing a major league debut in 2018.
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Certainly possible but as noted earlier, Oakland pulled the trigger (didn't work out), Toronto pulled the trigger (somewhat worked out), KC pulled the trigger (and it worked out).

If they don't make a major move then they are playing it safe to the point of essentially saying that being close on a near yearly basis is better than having your best opportunity to win. It will be interesting to see how long fans will settle for always a bridesmaid and never a bride.
 
What KC did the past two years is interesting. They did give up some decent prospects. But not their best ones. In 2014 they had three guys on the BA mid-season Top 50 (Mondesi, Zimmer and Dozier) and they held on to them. Last year they just had one (Mondesi) and held on to him.
 
nsacpi said:
What KC did the past two years is interesting. They did give up some decent prospects. But not their best ones. In 2014 they had three guys on the BA mid-season Top 50 (Mondesi, Zimmer and Dozier) and they held on to them. Last year they just had one (Mondesi) and held on to him.
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Agree. I'd expect pirates would part with Harold rameriz and Diaz or McGuire for Tehran but not meadows. I think it's a fair deal on talent but I would not like it for the braves. Tehrans contract is too valuable. More bidders at the winter meetings.

I like Ramirez and McGuire. I think they'd have to put in Hayes and I doubt pirates would do that.
 
I wonder if we'd take on Brandon Phillips. Hold up is that Phillips is demanding another year on his deal to OK trade.

But if we could get him for nothing then you'd have him at 2b next year for 14 million on a team with money. Helps keep albies down. Then you'd have the bonus year in 18 at 14 million. Could be a useful player. Could be a flippable guy if you eat money.

I think I'd take him only if we got a prospect in return and I doubt Vinci does that. Prob just eat the money for one more yr.
 
Sox won't do elite guys IMO unless they are all in this yr and get viz plus Tehran. And then we pron get 1 guy.

I'd think they'd give up Luis basabe, chavis and maybe rei. Should be able to get brentz who might be a good platoon with mallex if mallex and inciarte both stay with us.
 
I would want a Top 10 guy for Teheran or someone in the 10-25 range plus a valuable piece. That would represent somewhat of an overpay by the other team (though nowhere of the magnitude of the Miller trade), but we are in a position to insist on a clear win if someone approaches us about Teheran.
 
Heyward said:
Well McCutchen's deal expires in a few years, maybe they go with Marte, Polanco and Meadows in a few years.
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Meadows can be in the majors next year- they'd be wasting two years of him in the minors or as a bench bat "just because Cutch is leaving in two years." ANd most people agree that the Pirates would be a lot better if the ownership just opens their wallets and/or prospects in trade.. but they obviously aren't.. :(
 
zbhargrove said:
Not sure Meadows is what we need either.
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How? He can play any OF position with average to above average defense. He has a plus plus bat (capable of hitting .300+), he has a good power bat (capable of hitting hear 20 homeruns in a season), he has speed to steal bases and hit for XBH's... he's a GA boy and would fill a HUGE need in our system/team.
 
Heyward said:
Pirates have Marte and Polanco signed for another 4-5 years.

McCutchen may leave if he hits FA.

But not sure they'd overpay
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Cutch still has 2 years of control-and tbh, I think they will try to lock him up for a few more years, can't see him in another uniform. And Meadows will be major league ready by mid 2017. He'd be in the minors for 1.5 years before Cutch leaves or anything- that's not really smart especially when their heavy with OF depth.
 
Ideally (assuming Julio and Viz are actually available), I'd want to go...

Julio for Gallo straight-up, Vizcaino for Eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease, and Markakis for Chase Vallot (eating some of Nick's $$$, of course). Go get Desmond or Cespedes to play LF and a veteran SP like Jaime Garcia to plug into the rotation this winter.

CF- Mallex, SS- Swanson, 1B- Freeman, LF- Desmond, 3B- Gallo, C- Flowers, RF- Inciarte, 2B- Albies
 
If the Pirates are as smart as everyone thinks, McCutchen will be traded away as soon as Meadows is deemed ready. The prospect return for Cutch could be used to trade for a pitcher like Julio.
 
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