Best/Worst off seasons of 2015

thethe said:
Braves allowed less than 600 last year and I think this rotation has a chance to be better when you consider improvement from Teheran/Minor and a full year of Wood. I think Miller is going to thrive here but nothing to the effect of a TOR. The fifth spot is a bit dicey but I'm not sure why this years pitching can't be as good as last years.

The team was so dreadful hitting last that I think by sure dumb luck we will score around the same amount of runs as last year. I think the production out of 2B/3B/SS/CF should be slightly better. Around the same in RF. Big downgrade in LF/C while 1B could go either way.
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The Braves lost:

196 innings 3.95 ERA
204 innings 3.57 ERA
61 innings 3.54 ERA
50 innings 2.88 ERA
54 innings 2.65 ERA
54 innings 2.63 ERA

These innings will be replaced with:

Miller
Hale/Folty
Johnson
Grilli
rookies/young guys

I don't see how the pitching staff with allow anything close to 600 runs. The bullpen could see the biggest jump in number of runs allowed (as well as back end of the rotation)

I don't see Markakis hitting around the same as Heyward.
 
As much as it pains me to say it, I'll cast my vote for the Yankees on the best offseason so far. They seemed to get good value in their FA deals and trades.

I'm going to cheat and pick two teams for worst . . . Phillies and Royals. I'm okay with a couple of the things that Philadelphia has done this offseason, but the concern is that they've completely whiffed on the big picture for the past couple years. They desperately need to embark on a major-rebuild and continue to miss opportunities to reset. I'm very surprised Amaro still has a job. As for KC, they ended up finding a way to spend quite a bit of money and not get better. That can probably be said of some of their other offseasons under Moore, but this is an offseason where the stakes were much higher in my view.
 
I think the Dodgers had a really interesting, solid offseason. San Diego made some great moves but they gutted their farm system of depth (sure, they retained their top 3 prospects, but beyond that there's not much.)
 
gilesfan said:
The Braves lost:

196 innings 3.95 ERA
204 innings 3.57 ERA
61 innings 3.54 ERA
50 innings 2.88 ERA
54 innings 2.65 ERA
54 innings 2.63 ERA

These innings will be replaced with:

Miller
Hale/Folty
Johnson
Grilli
rookies/young guys

I don't see how the pitching staff with allow anything close to 600 runs. The bullpen could see the biggest jump in number of runs allowed (as well as back end of the rotation)

I don't see Markakis hitting around the same as Heyward.
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Alex Wood could see a jump of 30-40 innings
Minor will get a jump of around 60 innings (and replace his 145 with much more effective ones)
I would expect Miller to get around 200 innings at around a 3.5 ERA
If Shae Simmons is healthy he will replace 60 bullpen innings at a low 2 ERA.
The rest of the bullpen will be replaced as the Braves do all the time. I'm not worried about htat.

You are probably right about Markakis. Maybe a small decrease in production but I think it will surprise some people how close it is.
 
Marlins had a pretty good offseason but of course giles the Nats fan says otherwise (shocking i know)

Our offseason wasnt great but it had to be done.

Keeping Jason/Justin and adding nothing but bargain bin type players is a disaster move.

Farm system retooled and loaded.

This year wont be pretty but can add even more guys to the system with Minor, and maybe Kimbrel trades.

Nats had an ok offseason IF they keep Jordan and Fister.

I dont get trading away Clippard given Span/Fister/JZ/Desmond are all FA's at seasons end.

Their bullpen is weak, a 7-8-9 of Barrett, Treinen? and Storen with that staff is highly concerning if i was a Nats fan but do what i know?
 
thethe said:
Alex Wood could see a jump of 30-40 innings
Minor will get a jump of around 60 innings (and replace his 145 with much more effective ones)
I would expect Miller to get around 200 innings at around a 3.5 ERA
If Shae Simmons is healthy he will replace 60 bullpen innings at a low 2 ERA.
The rest of the bullpen will be replaced as the Braves do all the time. I'm not worried about htat.

You are probably right about Markakis. Maybe a small decrease in production but I think it will surprise some people how close it is.
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Wood will not pitch to a 2.78 ERA over that many innings.

Minor is going to have to produce if he's going to throw 200 innings. Career FIP of 3.90, he better outpitch that. He's probably more of a 175 IP with a high 3 ERA.

Miller, also a 4.03 FIP for his career which he's severly outpitched. I think a 3.5-3.75 is slightly optimistic

A low 2 ERA for any reliever not named Kimbrel is probably optimistic (though possible) Steamer has 3.24 which predicts 10 k/9, 3.5 bb/9, and 0.66 HR/9. Hard to argue that too much; walk rate is a huge concern. He also had 21 innings in 2014, so he may gain 40 innings; not 60.
 
Last year the Braves scored 573 runs and allowed 597.

This offseason they have weakened the defense a bit, and dramatically weakened the offense. The pitching will, at best, remain as good as 2014.

PECOTA projects the Braves to score 584 and allow 644, resulting in 72 wins. I have NO IDEA how they can possibly predict the Braves to score more runs in 2015 than they did in 2014, but the increase in runs allowed seems about right given the worse defense the team will play.

I have a feeling the Braves will be lucky to hit the 70 win mark, score around 550 runs and allow around 650 runs. The offense is probably going to be the absolute worst in the league.

It's going to be really, really, bad folks.
 
Heyward said:
I dont get trading away Clippard given Span/Fister/JZ/Desmond are all FA's at seasons end.

Their bullpen is weak, a 7-8-9 of Barrett, Treinen? and Storen with that staff is highly concerning if i was a Nats fan but do what i know?
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FIrst the Marlins added:

Gordon- fast, ok hitter; decent 2B- 3 wins is very optimistic; probably 2 at best (and replacing how many)
Morse- 32 yrs old. projects to be a 1 win player at best because of how terrible he is in the field.
Prado- solid 3B. How much of an upgrade over Mcghee?
Ichiro- lol
Latos- Good starter
Haren- lol

Clippard was traded due to salary. (with the FAs you listed....that's how it makes sense, duh) Janssen was signed to fill that spot. Downgrade for sure. There 7-9 will never duplicate what it did last year but probably isn't a weakness either:

Barret 2.59 FIP (40 IP)
Treinen 3.09 FIP (50 IP)
Roark (depends on if a trade is made)
Storen 2.71 FIP (56 IP)
Janssen 4.14 FIP (45 IP)
 
Enscheff said:
Last year the Braves scored 573 runs and allowed 597.

This offseason they have weakened the defense a bit, and dramatically weakened the offense. The pitching will, at best, remain as good as 2014.

PECOTA projects the Braves to score 584 and allow 644, resulting in 72 wins. I have NO IDEA how they can possibly predict the Braves to score more runs in 2015 than they did in 2014, but the increase in runs allowed seems about right given the worse defense the team will play.

I have a feeling the Braves will be lucky to hit the 70 win mark, score around 550 runs and allow around 650 runs. The offense is probably going to be the absolute worst in the league.

It's going to be really, really, bad folks.
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Defense wasn't factored in by me, but it should have bc it's been severely downgraded.
 
gilesfan said:
FIrst the Marlins added:

Gordon- fast, ok hitter; decent 2B- 3 wins is very optimistic; probably 2 at best (and replacing how many)
Morse- 32 yrs old. projects to be a 1 win player at best because of how terrible he is in the field.
Prado- solid 3B. How much of an upgrade over Mcghee?
Ichiro- lol
Latos- Good starter
Haren- lol

Clippard was traded due to salary. (with the FAs you listed....that's how it makes sense, duh) Janssen was signed to fill that spot. Downgrade for sure. There 7-9 will never duplicate what it did last year but probably isn't a weakness either:

Barret 2.59 FIP (40 IP)
Treinen 3.09 FIP (50 IP)
Roark (depends on if a trade is made)
Storen 2.71 FIP (56 IP)
Janssen 4.14 FIP (45 IP)
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It's funny how you defend EVERYTHING the Nats do but bash other teams, but you have no alliance to the Nats.
 
Using the money aspect.

Janssen and Escobar make around 10 mil combined, Clippard makes 7-8.

So what are they saving exactly?
 
Heyward said:
It's funny how you defend EVERYTHING the Nats do but bash other teams, but you have no alliance to the Nats.
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By saying they downgraded and explaining the reasoning behind it?

I just dont understand being ignorant about other teams; rival or not.
 
Heyward said:
Using the money aspect.

Janssen and Escobar make around 10 mil combined, Clippard makes 7-8.

So what are they saving exactly?
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They would have to pay Clippard and a 2nd baseman.

Do you agree with paying set up men 8 million, btw?
 
gilesfan said:
They would have to pay Clippard and a 2nd baseman.

Do you agree with paying set up men 8 million, btw?
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I was gonna say ACab but he signed for 7.5, you're probably right though but in the Nats case, i would have kept Clippard incase Storen implodes again.
 
gilesfan said:
By saying they downgraded and explaining the reasoning behind it?

I just dont understand being ignorant about other teams; rival or not.
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Ignorant because they signed a pitcher to a huge contract when they didnt need to do that?
 
Heyward said:
Ignorant because they signed a pitcher to a huge contract when they didnt need to do that?
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So now, you are arguing over the Scherzer singing?

Fair argument, it's a large deal and seasons 5-7 are probably going to be bad. But, it's a model that big market clubs can do because of the money they have.

But, without Scherzer, how would they look when they lose Fister and Zimmermann next year?
 
gilesfan said:
So now, you are arguing over the Scherzer singing?

Fair argument, it's a large deal and seasons 5-7 are probably going to be bad. But, it's a model that big market clubs can do because of the money they have.

But, without Scherzer, how would they look when they lose Fister and Zimmermann next year?
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I was thinking they'd sign Fister.

I dont think he'd cost much more than say, 6 years, 100-110 mil or so.

But fair enough unless both of them are asking for the moon.
 
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