Black Lives Matter...
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Because one cop was charged with killing someone in what is nearly universally agreed upon as excessive force? There was a lot of disagreement on whether it was murder, but cops should be able to reasonably see that if they don’t do what Chauvin did that they don’t necessarily need to worry about murder charges.
Chauvin did as he was trained.
Reasonable doubt as to the cause of murder was easily established by the defense.
Cops will avoid calls in inner city areas because there is too much risk to their own personal livelihood.
The next step in small towns and conservative cities is to up budgets for law enforcement and attract transplants. Then we will see what the right course of action is if we want a productive stable society.
This verdict will do one thing and one thing alone. Make the lives of poor black people worse.
tululush
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Leave it to you to spew your racist rhetoric. A man killed someone. He was tried for murder snd found to be guilty. Stop spinning your hate and fear mongering.
striker42
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I'm a little surprised they found him guilty. The deck was stacked in Chauvin's favor procedurally. But juries are unpredictable and Chauvin's defense hurt more than they helped.
That being said, Chauvin wasn't convicted of three crimes today. The second degree murder is the only real conviction. The other two are lesser included offenses and will collapse into the second degree murder offense. So he'll only be sentenced on that one.
I think some people are going to be surprised by that. The media coverage of that aspect has been woeful.
That being said, Chauvin wasn't convicted of three crimes today. The second degree murder is the only real conviction. The other two are lesser included offenses and will collapse into the second degree murder offense. So he'll only be sentenced on that one.
I think some people are going to be surprised by that. The media coverage of that aspect has been woeful.
Didn’t several officers and the Chief testify that he did not do as he was trained?
Let’s just ignore there was an active manual that had this technique. There were other force of use experts that said Chauvin acted appropriately.
The body cam footage that they had for months showed that he didn’t even have his knee on Floyd’s neck.
This verdict is a mockery of justice. The mob has succeeded in ripping down our foundings in such a short time.
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Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
To thethe's point:
19 quit in Albuquerque
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/albuquerque-police-union-leader-says-members-resigning
57 quit Buffalo SWAT
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-buffalo-idUSKBN23C2XX
Over 100 quit Minneapolis
https://www.businessinsider.in/inte...er-the-cases-outcome/articleshow/82031420.cms
NYPD, Seattle, Rochester, Seattle, San Francisco, Asheville
https://nypost.com/2020/10/24/anti-...cians-prompting-huge-wave-of-cop-retirements/
Small town in Indiana loses it's entire 7 man department
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ce-force-quits-protest-immoral-things-n696386
Anecdotally, I have a black neighbor who started working for a small, rich, white, liberal township inside the Perimeter a couple of years ago. He recently quit to go back to Cobb county, said he'd rather be in a high crime area than deal with the unrealistic expectations created by the politics in his old place.
It will all result in every cop who is able leaving places with liberal politics because they won't trust the leadership not to throw them under the bus. Many of those who remain will end up filing police reports instead of stopping crimes or apprehending suspects. No chance of going to jail that way. May those who vote for it, bask in it.
19 quit in Albuquerque
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/albuquerque-police-union-leader-says-members-resigning
57 quit Buffalo SWAT
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-buffalo-idUSKBN23C2XX
Over 100 quit Minneapolis
https://www.businessinsider.in/inte...er-the-cases-outcome/articleshow/82031420.cms
NYPD, Seattle, Rochester, Seattle, San Francisco, Asheville
https://nypost.com/2020/10/24/anti-...cians-prompting-huge-wave-of-cop-retirements/
Small town in Indiana loses it's entire 7 man department
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ce-force-quits-protest-immoral-things-n696386
Anecdotally, I have a black neighbor who started working for a small, rich, white, liberal township inside the Perimeter a couple of years ago. He recently quit to go back to Cobb county, said he'd rather be in a high crime area than deal with the unrealistic expectations created by the politics in his old place.
It will all result in every cop who is able leaving places with liberal politics because they won't trust the leadership not to throw them under the bus. Many of those who remain will end up filing police reports instead of stopping crimes or apprehending suspects. No chance of going to jail that way. May those who vote for it, bask in it.
The fact that he was complaining that he couldn't breathe even before the altercation and that one of the witnesses said he/she had a very difficult time waking him up in the car should have gotten Chauvin acquitted. Both are signs of an opioid overdose. Way too much reasonable doubt in this case.
striker42
Well-known member
My understanding is that he can only be sentenced on the most serious as the others are some form of lesser included offense.
A lot of states tell juries to stop after the most severe offense in a situation like this if they find guilty on the most severe. Minnesota apparently does not. My guess would be this is so if the conviction is overturned on appeal for something dealing with the most severe offense, the other offenses can stand.
Honestly Minnesota is a bit messed up here as the verdict is actually legally inconsistent. The jury found him both reckless and negligent in the same actions. Those are mutually exclusive.
This clearly makes sense. He only killed the one guy, so adding additional years for other charges of killing the one guy sounds absurd.
tululush
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Please show us where it says in any manual to put your knee on someone’s neck and hold it there for 9 minutes until they stop breathing, and then continue to hold your weight on someone. GTFO with your trash.
The paramedics arrived on scene while he still had his weight on him and they testified that he wasn’t breathing.
Just stop.
Runnin
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It doesn't matter where he knee was if the force of his weight was not allowing Floyd to breathe. Once he was in handcuffs and under control, his well-being became the officers' responsibility. They never once showed any regard for their prisoner or attempted to do anything but slowing choke the life out of him. It looked like plain, straight-forward premeditated murder. At some point the officers decided that they were going to suffocated him. And they did.
Why didn't Chauvin testify that he was just following his training??? He could've explained his thinking if he felt he acted appropriately. Refusing to do that is what guilty people do.
Why didn't Chauvin testify that he was just following his training??? He could've explained his thinking if he felt he acted appropriately. Refusing to do that is what guilty people do.
tululush
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This is a better explanation than my previous comment. But my premise still remains: he choked him out, killed him, and refused to get off of him until well past his death. Another cop asked if they could administer help and he said no. Chauvin kept his weight on Floyd and then the paramedics arrived and noted Floyd was lifeless and not breathing. Chauvin killed him. He knew what he was doing and could care less. He’s a racist pos and anyone who tries to justify what he did and argue otherwise likely is cut from the same cloth as Chauvin. Absolutely disgusting.
The cops jobs are to protect and serve. I understand arresting people for committing crimes, which Floyd did, but you arrest them and get them to jail and let the legal system determine their punishment. You aren’t the judge and jury. Period. He killed him in cold blood and now he’ll rot in a jail cell.
Runnin
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Another thing, Chauvin had to be acutely aware when Floyd's body stopped rising and falling anymore, as a big body like Floyd's would have with every breath. But yet, he kept applying pressure for another 6 or 7 minutes.
Maybe this is why he didn't testify. He would have no answer for why he continued to cut off his breath after Floyd had clearly stopped breathing. I think I know why. The jury agreed.
But at the end of the day, the justice is pretty thin.
Maybe this is why he didn't testify. He would have no answer for why he continued to cut off his breath after Floyd had clearly stopped breathing. I think I know why. The jury agreed.
But at the end of the day, the justice is pretty thin.
tululush
New member
There will never be justice for taking a man’s life unnecessarily. But it’s nice to see a jury make the right decision for once when a person of color’s life was wrongly and unjustly taken.