Bradley Manning Statement After Verdict

[thethe]

I just asked you for some specifics. You gave me zero.

With regards to Africa, can you show me where they have killed thousands? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't know about it and have never cared enough to look into it. I'm out of town on business this weekend, but I'll take a look into the Muslim/African conflict once you show me specifics.

I have posted many articles in the past regarding the Boko Harim. There will never be a reported figure like there is with US conflics. There are plenty of articles out there that show specific incidents. You can do the math but over the past 20-30 years there has been terrorism in Africa whether or not you want to admit it considering it goes against your belief they hate us because we bomb them.

 

[sturg33]

Well, like I said... if you want to give me some sort of documented starting point. I'll look into it and respond.

I'm still waiting on those specifics from the previous page, by the way.

 

[sturg33]

For Weso and others... this is just the first one that popped up. There are many more.

 

[goldfly]

I forget there are people in this country that think people in the Middle East woke up one day for no real reason at all and thought "they have freedom. I hate them now".

These same people think the USA can do no wrong and has never done anything wrong

 

[thethe]

I forget there are people in this country that think people in the Middle East woke up one day for no real reason at all and thought "they have freedom. I hate them now".

These same people think the USA can do no wrong and has never done anything wrong

I for one do not believe the US is innocent on all accounts. But I also believe its naive to think that these people started hating America because we bomb them. That is just ignoring well over a thousand years of history.

 

[sturg33]

I for one do not believe the US is innocent on all accounts. But I also believe its naive to think that these people started hating America because we bomb them. That is just ignoring well over a thousand years of history.

LOL.

"It's naive to think they hate us because we bomb them." - thethe

"It's naive to think they hate us because we're American." - sturg

Clearly, I'm the naive one

 

[goldfly]

I for one do not believe the US is innocent on all accounts. But I also believe its naive to think that these people started hating America because we bomb them. That is just ignoring well over a thousand years of history.

who doesn't like to be bombed and have loved ones killed?

and

America isn't even close to 1000 years old, so i am not sure what that has to do with anything

but

i am interested in your thoughts. do you have a newsletter?

 

[thethe]

Re: Sturg:

That was not what I said.

 

[thethe]

America isn't even close to 1000 years old

so i am interested in your thoughts. do you have a newsletter?

Amazing that you guys continue to believe that there isn't an underlying ideological war going on that has been going on for much longer than Americas existence.

 

[goldfly]

Amazing that you guys continue to believe that there isn't an underlying ideological war going on that has been going on for much longer than Americas existence.

let me guess

you don't think they should have hated the Crusades either

right?

 

[thethe]

let me guess

you don't think they should have hated the Crusades either

right?

No, I think that was one of the the major reasons why this animosity existed. Fighting a war in the name of a diety is foolish and I believe was the tipping point of no reconciliation between the two parties.

 

[jpx7]

Fighting a war in the name of a diety is foolish.

I very much agree with this, at least.

 

[weso1]

For Weso and others... this is just the first one that popped up. There are many more.

That video doesn't contradict what I posted. Mistakes are made in war and unfortunately the consequence is often tragic. As long as the soldier follows the rules of engagement then he can't be indicted like you all feel he should. How could anyone think that is a good idea?

 

[gilesfan]

I forget there are people in this country that think people in the Middle East woke up one day for no real reason at all and thought "they have freedom. I hate them now".

These same people think the USA can do no wrong and has never done anything wrong

Why do the radicals in the Middle East terrorize other countries besides USA that have not bombed them or participated in any bombings/war?

Let's see how you skirt that question.

 

[sturg33]

Why do the radicals in the Middle East terrorize other countries besides USA that have not bombed them or participated in any bombings/war?

Let's see how you skirt that question.

Which countries in particular? Because you would be very surprised.

 

[gilesfan]

Well, you can go down the list and answer:

Philippines
Kenya
Tanzania
Djerba
Limburg bombing
Bali
Morrocco
Turkey
Spain
Saudi
England
Pakistan (bc of the publication of Muhammed cartoons)
Khobar massacre where victims were asked religion and any non muslim had throat slashed

 

[The Tariff King]

I would have no reason to know outside of judging based on the soldiers I know in my area.

Probably more common than you think...

I live in a town surrounded by two bases, Hunter AAF and Ft Stewart, and these guys seem pretty normal when you talk to them. They get drunk, they start acting like a bunch of idiots, telling all the horror stories from Iraq and Afghanistan (some borderlining Abu Ghraib). I've heard some pretty awful stuff about how some of the guys bragged about the way they treated some of the Iraqi's after they took over Saddam's Palace.

I would venture to say the nice guys in your area too are different when they're over there.

But like you always say, that's just a casualty of war.

 

[The Tariff King]

Well, you can go down the list and answer:

Philippines
Kenya
Tanzania
Djerba
Limburg bombing
Bali
Morrocco
Turkey
Spain
Saudi
England
Pakistan (bc of the publication of Muhammed cartoons)
Khobar massacre where victims were asked religion and any non muslim had throat slashed

I can tell you off hand the Phillipines, Abu Sayaf is bombing there because the provinces are split. All the Muslims are in the South (Mindanao) and they're the worst off. The Catholics dominate that country's political system, and they're all up north in the big cities like Manila, and they don't do anything legislatively to help the Muslims in the South. That's kind of why the bombings take place and Al Qaeda has found a breeding ground there.

The Muslims down in the Southern Isles, associate the Northern Catholics/Christians as Westerners similar to America which after Al Al Qaeda goes down there to train Abu Sayaf, they're all on the same page.

And a lot of the other countries you name are simlar to Phillippines. Poverty and Religion being used together to make a statement.

For a country like England, it's simply because they associate England/GBR with USA since we're BFF.

 

[gilesfan]

Probably more common than you think...

I live in a town surrounded by two bases, Hunter AAF and Ft Stewart, and these guys seem pretty normal when you talk to them. They get drunk, they start acting like a bunch of idiots, telling all the horror stories from Iraq and Afghanistan (some borderlining Abu Ghraib). I've heard some pretty awful stuff about how some of the guys bragged about the way they treated some of the Iraqi's after they took over Saddam's Palace.

I would venture to say the nice guys in your area too are different when they're over there.

But like you always say, that's just a casualty of war.

I live 15 minutes from the largest navy base in the world. Also probably half of the countries Navy Seals (split between SD and Va Beach) live in the area and I am friends with several of them. I know a guy that spent 6 months living in Sadaams palace.

 

[gilesfan]

I can tell you off hand the Phillipines, Abu Sayaf is bombing there because the provinces are split. All the Muslims are in the South (Mindanao) and they're the worst off. The Catholics dominate that country's political system, and they're all up north in the big cities like Manila, and they don't do anything legislatively to help the Muslims in the South. That's kind of why the bombings take place and Al Qaeda has found a breeding ground there.

The Muslims down in the Southern Isles, associate the Northern Catholics/Christians as Westerners similar to America which after Al Al Qaeda goes down there to train Abu Sayaf, they're all on the same page.

And a lot of the other countries you name are simlar to Phillippines. Poverty and Religion being used together to make a statement.

For a country like England, it's simply because they associate England/GBR with USA since we're BFF.

But, the muslims only do it to USA because of bombs, right?

The London attack was the day after they were awarded the summer olympics. That likely had somehting to do with it.