Braves acquire Alex Jackson from SEA for Whalen and Povse
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I am pretty confident that the teams we are trading with know more about the minor leaguers they are trading for than we can read from a spreadsheet. They did their homework and wanted who they wanted. No reason to believe they would have accepted our substitute unless he was some one we would be equally reluctant to give up..
I doubt it, honestly. Even if the Ms had rightly soured on Jackson, they weren't just going to give him away for free. Would the Mariners really have taken Matt Withrow instead? I don't think they would, and that would have to be the type of pitcher you'd sub in to make this trade better for Atlanta.
I don't think we stole Jackson or that this is a sure thing, but it is still exactly the type of deal we should be making given our relative strength at finding quality pitching prospects.
chipchildress
Awaiting a Promotion
139 strikeouts
29 walks
that was last season. yeah sure, he's replaceable. they're gonna replace a bunch of not walks with walks. sweet.
chipchildress
Awaiting a Promotion
and a former first round pick. because you know, the braves think if they get every single former first round pick who busted a chance that one might pan out eventually.
did i mention that alex jackson is probably best suited to be a DH? oh my god this trade was so freaking awful, you guys just don't see it yet.
did i mention that alex jackson is probably best suited to be a DH? oh my god this trade was so freaking awful, you guys just don't see it yet.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Pretty sure the Mariners disagree. They saw something - Fister, most likely - and were very specific about Povse. They now consider him one of their top prospects. And if you look at results, he's done nothing to suggest otherwise.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Povse was a very good pickup by the Mariners. Not all lottery tickets are created equal. At least not when it comes to pitching prospects. I think the Cards will also be happy with Gant.
The thing that has impressed me about both is their strikeout to walk ratios. I have seen more of Gant and he has swing-and-miss stuff.
The thing that has impressed me about both is their strikeout to walk ratios. I have seen more of Gant and he has swing-and-miss stuff.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think the team can trade depth from their minor league pitching pool. I'm just worried about the return in both of these instances. To me, Jackson is the longest of long shots and unless they can flip Garcia at the deadline for a package equal (or better) to what they gave up to obtain him, Garcia's impending FA status probably takes him elsewhere after the season, which makes him a rental in a year we likely won't contend and a net loss on the talent balance sheet.
They also considered Jackson one of their top prospects. Their system is not good.
I'm sure they like him, just like I'm sure the Braves like him. That doesn't mean they disagree that his odds are worse than a bunch of other arms in our system.
His K-rate in AA was 6.1 per 9 as a 22/23-year-old. That's not good and suggests he may not miss enough bats at the higher levels to be much of anything at the major league level.
I think it was a good deal for both sides. There's something there with Povse, so the Mariners, whose system is poor, decided he was worth the gamble and likely had soured on Jackson and his attitude. The Braves clearly believe there's a chance that a change of scenery and a wake-up call affects Jackson positively and that there's enough talent there to justify giving up a guy who was buried among the plethora of good pitching prospects we have.
Just because you fell in love with a specific minor league prospect doesn't mean it was a bad deal in terms of value and odds.
Just for fun, exactly who do you put Povse in front of?
Teheran
Folty
Wisler
Blair
Sims
Fried
Newcomb
Weigel
Toussaint
Allard
Soroka
Sanchez
Anderson
Wentz
Muller
That's 15 Pitchers the Braves are higher on that will be ready within the next three years. When you add Swanson, Albies, Maitan, Acuna, Ruiz, Demeritte, Riley, Dustin Peterson, Minter, and the #5 pick in the 2017 draft, Povse was safely outside our Top 25 no matter how you slice it. He's exactly the definition of an "expendable" prospect.
While that doesn't mean he doesn't have a chance of becoming a useful back-end SP somewhere else, he certainly wasn't going to get that chance in Atlanta.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I don't think you are picking up what some are putting down. It is not about him becoming something, but more about what value did you sell him at. Jackson is a long, long, long shot. dude has bad attitude and major flaws in his swing. Just because you have expendable pieces, doesn't mean you have to give them away. I personally think another year of seasoning in the Minors might have bumped Povse value a bit higher.. I think we could have included him in another deal for a better return.. in the end, it probably won't matter, but I don't think it is wrong for some to criticize this trade.
We didn't give him away. The value was pretty much dead even in that deal. MLB.com has Povse as their #10 prospect and had Jackson as their #6 prospect. I don't know why this argument is seen as a better argument. We didn't give Povse away, and we didn't trade him for lesser value.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
two things.
1. Povse was moving UP in rankings. in 2015 he wasn't even in our top 20.. Jackson is moving in the wrong direction. So in a vacuum, yes they have equal value, but you can't disregard the fact that they were moving quickly in the opposite direction.
2. We included Whalen as well to get this "value" Whalen I think made it as high as 20ish.
So we gave up 2 top 20ish talents in a FAR superior system for a falling star that is highly ranked in an EXTREMELY weak system. I just don't see the = value IMO..
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
I'll say it now: This will go down as the greatest trade in all of Braves history.
Alex will fill out as our everyday starting catcher by 2018, he'll hit .300 each year with superb defense, 30 homers and 100 RBIs each year.
Good lord, people. I get it. Trading can be hard and sometimes you trade from your surprise to get a guy that has great upside... but it's not the end of the world. We should all grow up and enjoy the system as-is.
Alex will fill out as our everyday starting catcher by 2018, he'll hit .300 each year with superb defense, 30 homers and 100 RBIs each year.
Good lord, people. I get it. Trading can be hard and sometimes you trade from your surprise to get a guy that has great upside... but it's not the end of the world. We should all grow up and enjoy the system as-is.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
He wasn't one of their top prospects
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
wow, did you have a flat tire today. I don't think anyone is running around screaming for Coppi's head. just simple banter between posters discussing a trade that could go either way or could go no where. Not sure where your angst is coming from.