Braves acquire Alex Jackson from SEA for Whalen and Povse

The shine has worn off on him and he may never amount to anything, but the trade makes a ton of sense. Lot of power and just hope he figures how swing mechanically (too long). I would move him back to catcher where he's not asked to hit as much, but talk is that he's too big and stiff now to play catcher.

High upside/low chance of getting there is fine for 2 fringe pitchers in a crowded 40 man roster.
 
Maybe the PTBNL is to give us time to shuffle the 40-man roster? Not really sure why else they wouldn't announce a player or money or future considerations.
 
drewdat said:
Maybe the PTBNL is to give us time to shuffle the 40-man roster? Not really sure why else they wouldn't announce a player or money or future considerations.
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Usually they want to scout a few players a bit longer before they decide which one they want.
 
gilesfan said:
The shine has worn off on him and he may never amount to anything, but the trade makes a ton of sense. Lot of power and just hope he figures how swing mechanically (too long). I would move him back to catcher where he's not asked to hit as much, but talk is that he's too big and stiff now to play catcher.

High upside/low chance of getting there is fine for 2 fringe pitchers in a crowded 40 man roster.
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"talk is"? Would kinda like a source or link to a very specific comment like this. Kid is still only 21 and has only played the outfield as a pro.
 
I was thinking Whelan was on 40-man, but that was not the case. They still have to make a move to make room for Rodriguez.
 
Wow. I like Povse and Whalen, but this is a perfect trade for us. We got exactly what we need. Will it work out? Who knows. But you make this trade every single day if you're us. In that light, it's an excellent move for Seattle. Awesome swap.
 
chop2chip said:
I like the trade for Seattle. But where do you put Povse and Whalen? Neither of them really fit into our long term rotation plans and are behind 10 other minor pitchers.
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Yeah. Povse is about #10 for starting pitchers in the system. But the pecking order evolves quite a bit over time. I think he has a better chance of having a productive major league career than Jackson.
 
drewdat said:
Maybe the PTBNL is to give us time to shuffle the 40-man roster? Not really sure why else they wouldn't announce a player or money or future considerations.
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Best I can come up is that the PTBNL is eligible for the Rule 5 draft. So we need to wait to ensure the player isn't take before the trade can be completed. If the player is taken, we'd move to an agreed upon plan B player.
 
Knucksie said:
This part caught my eye:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/atlanta-braves

Does anybody know much about this kid?
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Povse is a groundball pitcher and has solid control numbers. He was the Braves' 3rd round pick in 2014 and the pick was largely derided given his uneven performance at UNC-Greensboro and some injury issues. Could be one of DeMacio's sleeper picks that turns into something. I think his performance in Mississippi put him on the radar.

I like Whalen, but he could be one of those AAAA guys who simply eats up minor league competition but lacks the stuff to be consistently effective at the major league level. No questioning his competitiveness and sometimes those guys succeed solely on their will.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Don't know much about Clinton but from the pitching numbers it looks as if it must be an extreme pitchers park.

As for the comparison with Davidson, I think Jackson has shown mush more at this point, which still isn't saying a ton.
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It doesn't matter if it's a pitchers' park if you're not making contact. I'm fine with the deal. Curious to see if they move Jackson behind the plate.
 
Just updating my organizational depth chart and the thought occurred to me that this trade also may signal that they saw enough in Weigel, Mader, and Withrow last season that made them want to clear the path ahead of them a bit. Assuming Newcomb progresses as hoped this season, you'd still have plenty of competition for the #4 and #5 spots for 2018 in...

Wisler
Blair
Fried
Sims
Weigel
Mader
Withrow

and you'll still have to figure out what to do with

Gant
Jenkins
Ellis
Beech

That's 11 arrns for 12 back-end, AAA, and AA spots without signing or trading for anyone outside the organization or fast-tracking anyone.
 
nsacpi said:
Yeah. Povse is about #10 for starting pitchers in the system. But the pecking order evolves quite a bit over time. I think he has a better chance of having a productive major league career than Jackson.
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I think he has a better chance of making the majors, but I don't think he has a better chance of being productive once he's there. Povse is the kind of guy who, best-case, is probably something like a 1-2 WAR guy in either the rotation or bullpen. There's value there, but he's not a difference-maker. Jackson has less of a chance of making the majors at this point, but he is a potential difference-maker. And when you have enough pitching in the minors to have a bunch of potential difference-makers and a bunch of guys who could get to that 1-2 WAR level, I think it more than makes sense.

As far as being #10 in the system, I put those 10 as Newcomb, Allard, Anderson, Fried, Toussaint, Soroka, Weigel, Wentz, Sims, and Muller. To me, Povse is not on the same level as those 10. I know you said about 10, but when you have at least 10 pitching prospects in your system clearly better than someone, isn't he the definition of expendable at that point? And that doesn't include other young guys like Folty, Wisler, and Blair.
 
dak said:
Best I can come up is that the PTBNL is eligible for the Rule 5 draft. So we need to wait to ensure the player isn't take before the trade can be completed. If the player is taken, we'd move to an agreed upon plan B player.
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That very well could be the case. I looked up a couple of articles on their best unprotected players and there are a few of interest who did not get protected. Tyler Marlette AA catcher Dylan Unsworth AA starter and Tyler Smith AAA infielder.

http://www.outsidepitchmlb.com/seattle-mariners-cho/56727
 
I can't see how anyone does not like this deal.

All we complain about is too many pitchers. In this case we trade pitching for a bat and open up a 40 man spot we needed open.

Yes the most likely outcome is that he never plays an inning in MLB. But he's young, he's talented he's a position player.

I think this deal is amazing and I liked Povse.

The chance that Povse and Whalen can be filled by the current system or the next draft is about 99%. The Braves getting a high upside bat is much lower.
 
I like everyone else love this deal. Sell high and buy low. Trade from depth. It's really that easy. Whalen and Povse were both at their peak value. Jackson is at his lowest value.
 
Chico said:
That very well could be the case. I looked up a couple of articles on their best unprotected players and there are a few of interest who did not get protected. Tyler Marlette AA catcher Dylan Unsworth AA starter and Tyler Smith AAA infielder.

http://www.outsidepitchmlb.com/seattle-mariners-cho/56727
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Why not complete the trade now and not wait on them to be exposed to the Rule 5 anyway? Not sure that helps anyone in this scenario
 
FWIW, J. J. Cooper wasn't that big on the deal - explains that it makes sense only because of our depth and recommends a move back behind the plate as well.
 
Tapate50 said:
Why not complete the trade now and not wait on them to be exposed to the Rule 5 anyway? Not sure that helps anyone in this scenario
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Presumably for 40-man considerations. If we complete the trade for such a player before the Rule 5 draft, we have to put them on the 40-man, but if they aren't taken, we can maintain flexibility.
 
50PoundHead said:
It doesn't matter if it's a pitchers' park if you're not making contact. I'm fine with the deal. Curious to see if they move Jackson behind the plate.
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But just making contact isn't his game and never has been and shouldn't be expected moving forward.

Andrelton Simmons made contact with just about everything but wasn't very effective as a hitter.

Jackson's K rate is a little concerning but might be affected by things like foul territory, backdrop, lighting, etc., at least to an extent.

Jackson's average may also be affected by park size (too many HR fly ball caught on the track), foul territory, backdrop, mound height, etc.

A park can have an impact just from an intimidation factor alone.

As far as Jackson behind the plate, I bet they will at least give it a try. A .250, .350, .500 catcher with 30% K rate is an All-Star if his defense is average or better.
 
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