Braves Acquire Matt Adams From Cardinals

[Enscheff]

I think the issue is not the FO lacking an understanding of what you have pointed out. It is the FO indulging a star player who does not understand the above.

I hope we resume the Adams in the outfield experiment the Cardinals briefly tried. How much worse would Adams be defensively than our current incumbents at corner outfield. I would sit each of them one game a week and let Adams play in their place. Both of them would probably benefit from having a game off every week or so.

I would prefer to not have Kemp or Adams in LF...ever.

Alas, that is another discussion about another set of terrible moves made by the FO in another failed attempt at improving the MLB roster. Hopefully they are able to figure it out by 2019 when it really matters.

 

[Hawk]

The idea that the FO made this decision in deference to Freeman is inane.

Almost as inane as the idea that it was a (transparent) ploy to build Adams' trade value.

 

[nsacpi]

The idea that the FO made this decision in deference to Freeman is inane.

Almost as inane as the idea that it was a (transparent) ploy to build Adams' trade value.

the quotes from various parties involved indicate Freddie drove this

 

[Hawk]

the quotes from various parties involved indicate Freddie drove this

I haven't seen a single quote remotely supportive of that narrative.

“A couple of weeks ago I mentioned it to say I’d be willing to move over to third base to accommodate Matt,” said Freeman, who fractured his wrist May 17. “He’s obviously been pretty spectacular for us.”

“I had a couple meetings with Hart and Coppy and then we had a meeting with (Braves manager Brian Snitker) too,” Freeman said. “I said I’m completely on board with it, I want to do it, we’ve got to keep Matt’s bat in the lineup and I’ll do anything to win. This is what it came to. I’ve got a couple weeks until I’m back out there so hopefully I can get (acclimated) with third base pretty good.”

http://atlantabraves.blog.ajc.com/2...ngness-to-move-to-3b-says-a-lot-about-player/

DOB: In fact, my initial understanding is that he either suggested it himself or immediately said he’d gladly do it when it was suggested as one of the possible otions.

 

[nsacpi]

I haven't seen a single quote remotely supportive of that narrative.

“A couple of weeks ago I mentioned it to say I’d be willing to move over to third base to accommodate Matt,” said Freeman, who fractured his wrist May 17. “He’s obviously been pretty spectacular for us.”

“I had a couple meetings with Hart and Coppy and then we had a meeting with (Braves manager Brian Snitker) too,” Freeman said. “I said I’m completely on board with it, I want to do it, we’ve got to keep Matt’s bat in the lineup and I’ll do anything to win. This is what it came to. I’ve got a couple weeks until I’m back out there so hopefully I can get (acclimated) with third base pretty good.”

http://atlantabraves.blog.ajc.com/2...ngness-to-move-to-3b-says-a-lot-about-player/

DOB: In fact, my initial understanding is that he either suggested it himself or immediately said he’d gladly do it when it was suggested as one of the possible otions.

seems to me you've just offered support for my contention

 

[Hawk]

seems to me you've just offered support for my contention

Certainly I don't need to explain the difference between Freeman suggesting the move and Freeman 'driving' the move. And, according O'Brien, it's possible that he didn't suggest it at all.

We're talking about two different plot lines here, and yours is as fantastical as the one in your sig.

That being said, I'm actually much more interested in seeing you flesh out your theory that Coppolella is 'indulging' Freeman by allowing him to play at 3B. It's sloppy; fails to explain why Freeman would want to move to 3B, insults the FO's authority and intelligence.

 

[nsacpi]

Certainly I don't need to explain the difference between Freeman suggesting the move and Freeman 'driving' the move. And, according O'Brien, it's possible that he didn't suggest it at all.

We're talking about two different plot lines here, and yours is as fantastical as the one in your sig.

That being said, I'm actually much more interested in seeing you flesh out your theory that Coppolella is 'indulging' Freeman by allowing him to play at 3B. It's sloppy; fails to explain why Freeman would want to move to 3B, insults the FO's authority and intelligence.

I'm waiting to see Coppy say something to subtly or not so subtly disassociate himself from this whole project...just as he has done with some of the more boneheaded moves sponsored by the other johns

 

[Super]

Freeman suggesting/offering is how much different than him driving it? That's splitting hairs. I don't see how it's fanatical to suggest this was something Freddie really wanted to try.

 

[Enscheff]

I'm waiting to see Coppy say something to subtly or not so subtly disassociate himself from this whole project...just as he has done with some of the more boneheaded moves sponsored by the other johns

This board is full of kids trying to catch the professor making a spelling mistake on the blackboard. You're dealing with an instance of it now.

You are 100% correct in every aspect of this topic. Coppy is likely deferring to the old guys here, just like he did with the Swanson promotion.

Coppy might very well be smarter than I give him credit for, but is constantly handcuffed by the few stone aged remnants in the FO.

 

[Hawk]

I'm waiting to see Coppy say something to subtly or not so subtly disassociate himself from this whole project...just as he has done with some of the more boneheaded moves sponsored by the other johns

Well if he does, feel free to remind me of this disagreement. I see your logic, I just don't see it evidenced.

 

[Hawk]

Freeman suggesting/offering is how much different than him driving it? That's splitting hairs. I don't see how it's fanatical to suggest this was something Freddie really wanted to try.

Clearly this is something that Freeman wanted to try. That's obvious.

What's in question here is whether or not the FO is letting him try it simply to appease/indulge him (the implication being that it's not something that they fully embrace) or if he suggested it and they said, "Hey, that might actually be a good idea. You should give it a whirl."

I don't see that as splitting hairs, I see that as a crucial distinction to make.

 

[nsacpi]

btw I give Freeman credit for volunteering to do this...i just think the front office should have thanked him and told him they would find other ways to get Adams some at bats

 

[Hawk]

This board is full of kids trying to catch the professor making a spelling mistake on the blackboard. You're dealing with an instance of it now.

You are 100% correct in every aspect of this topic. Coppy is likely deferring to the old guys here, just like he did with the Swanson promotion.

Coppy might very well be smarter than I give him credit for, but is constantly handcuffed by the few stone aged remnants in the FO.

It genuinely surprises me to see you try and cling to such a poorly constructed position.

 

[The Tariff King]

Freddie is a free man. He could have easily declined the FO's offer being he's their most valuable player and highest paid.

 

[clvclv]

Certainly I don't need to explain the difference between Freeman suggesting the move and Freeman 'driving' the move. And, according O'Brien, it's possible that he didn't suggest it at all.

We're talking about two different plot lines here, and yours is as fantastical as the one in your sig.

That being said, I'm actually much more interested in seeing you flesh out your theory that Coppolella is 'indulging' Freeman by allowing him to play at 3B. It's sloppy; fails to explain why Freeman would want to move to 3B, insults the FO's authority and intelligence.

You must be reading different DOB quotes...

"And of course there’s the situation at first base: The Braves traded for Matt Adams to serve as a fill-in while Freeman was on the DL, but Adams has been such an offensive force that the Braves are ready to let Freeman play third base – it was Freeman’s idea – on a temporary basis in order to keep Adams in the lineup rather than move his power bat to the bench."

http://www.myajc.com/sports/basebal...before-trade-deadline/9hGPiGfcOpiYzNafzLymTJ/

 

[Enscheff]

It genuinely surprises me to see you try and cling to such a poorly constructed position.

It doesn't surprise me that it surprises you, considering you're the guy who tried to counter a point by disagreeing about what "suggesting the move" and "driving the move" means. Nsacpi is smarter than you, and he's right, so just accept that fact and move on.

Like I said, you're the kid in class trying to point out the professor's spelling mistakes so you can pat yourself on the back for being "right". Then your less intelligent friend in class, Garmel, cheers you on by thanking your contrarian posts.

So good job! Pat. Pat.

 

[Garmel]

I love living rent free in people's minds.

 

[jpx7]

Certainly I don't need to explain the difference between Freeman suggesting the move and Freeman 'driving' the move.

I actually do think you need to explain how they're meaningfully different, because if this wasn't something the FO had considered prior to Freeman suggesting it, then I'd say he'd be pretty fairly called the "driver" of the experiment.

 

[Hawk]

I actually do think you need to explain how they're meaningfully different, because if this wasn't something the FO had considered prior to Freeman suggesting it, then I'd say he'd be pretty fairly called the "driver" of the experiment.

There's a distinction between Freeman being the catalyst for the change (my interpretation of 'the driver') and Freeman proactively pushing (driving) the change.

 

[Hawk]

It doesn't surprise me that it surprises you, considering you're the guy who tried to counter a point by disagreeing about what "suggesting the move" and "driving the move" means. Nsacpi is smarter than you, and he's right, so just accept that fact and move on.

Like I said, you're the kid in class trying to point out the professor's spelling mistakes so you can pat yourself on the back for being "right". Then your less intelligent friend in class, Garmel, cheers you on by thanking your contrarian posts.

So good job! Pat. Pat.

I'm sorry that the English language confounds you ... but that's all you've got? Really? Keep up.