Braves acquire Micah Johnson

NinersSBChamps said:
That is fine. I just get tired of seeing the reactions when the Braves acquire some unknown player and then all of a sudden the potential increases exponentially as soon as he's in the Braves system.
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I agree for the most part. Not every move is going to be great or move the needle. I get to watch most prospects so I'm lucky. Analytics are great and many numbers can be skewed to make any argument self gratifying. I use my eyeballs as much as numbers and I'm sure it's stupid, but that's baseball to me. This move barely raised my eyebrow. I do see your point Niners.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
That is fine. I just get tired of seeing the reactions when the Braves acquire some unknown player and then all of a sudden the potential increases exponentially as soon as he's in the Braves system.
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Just because they were unknown to you means crap... you don't keep up with baseball, you even brag about it.
 
Keith Law article from 12/15....a year ago but still.

he "small-market" Los Angeles Dodgers continue their arduous rebuilding process, acquiring three prospects, all of whom are major league-ready in some fashion. Micah Johnson flopped in an early 2015 trial in the majors, but it was far too short to be concerned about him, and when he got healthy and played every day in Triple-A, he did what he always does: made a lot of contact with some doubles power and ran like hell. He has been improving at second base but is still below average there, and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he'll eventually have to move to center field, but I'd leave him at second for at least another year and see if more work there improves his glove to the point where it's passable, because the bat will profile well there.

This sounds a lot like Mallex. But with more prospect pedigree than Mallex.
 
Deester11 said:
I agree for the most part. Not every move is going to be great or move the needle. I get to watch most prospects so I'm lucky. Analytics are great and many numbers can be skewed to make any argument self gratifying. I use my eyeballs as much as numbers and I'm sure it's stupid, but that's baseball to me. This move barely raised my eyebrow. I do see your point Niners.
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I think you are a rare breed my friend. It seems like if you don't use analytics and advanced stats than you are an idiot. I prefer to listen to my eyes over anything else. You have a blend of both and that's probably a good thing.
 
Enscheff said:
Use your own judgement. You're going to do so regardless of any facts presented to you anyways. You are willingly ignorant, so it's expected behavior from you.
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Right. Willful ignorance to Enscheff's projected facts.

"Projected facts" is the funniest thing I've ever heard you say on here. I'll cede your superior statistical training, but using words with precision is not exactly your long suit. You'd get eaten alive in a court of law.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Right. Willful ignorance to Enscheff's projected facts.

"Projected facts" is the funniest thing I've ever heard you say on here. I'll cede your superior statistical training, but using words with precision is not exactly your long suit. You'd get eaten alive in a court of law.
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When did I ever write "projected facts"? I stated the fact that the projections exist, and the fact that they are what they are. Never did I claim projections as facts. For a lawyer you sure can't grasp nuance. Probably why you were assigned taxes where your mess ups aren't a matter of life and death.

As opposed to your method of projections, which is nothing but "uh, I think he will perform like X". Have you regressed the "uh, I think" projection system over thousands of player seasons like FG has? Have you built one of the most popular fan sites based on your "uh, I think" projections? Have MLB teams hired analysts who use your "uh, I think" method of analysis?

Almost certainly not, but sure, your "uh, I think" projections are as good as FG's.

I am not relying on my analytical skills. I am deferring to experts in the field because I know they know more than me. I don't argue with experts. I prefer that to the "uh, I think" projections you subscribe to. I'm willing to bet any amount of money MLB teams do too.
 
Enscheff said:
When did I ever write "projected facts"? I stated the fact that the projections exist, and the fact that they are what they are. Never did I claim projections as facts. For a lawyer you sure can't grasp nuance. Probably why you were assigned taxes where your mess ups aren't a matter of life and death.

As opposed to your method of projections, which is nothing but "uh, I think he will perform like X". Have you regressed the "uh, I think" projection system over thousands of player seasons like FG has? Have you built one of the most popular fan sites based on your "uh, I think" projections? Have MLB teams hired analysts who use your "uh, I think" method of analysis?

Almost certainly not, but sure, your "uh, I think" projections are as good as FG's.

I am not relying on my analytical skills. I am deferring to experts in the field because I know they know more than me. I don't argue with experts. I prefer that to the "uh, I think" projections you subscribe to. I'm willing to bet any amount of money MLB teams do too.
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Whether you're forming your own opinion or parroting one you read on Fangraphs, it's an opinion. You're confusing fact with opinion.

It's okay, a lot of undisciplined thinkers don't understand the difference. Again, though, with that lack of discipline, you'd get destroyed in an adversarial setting. It's a good thing you make your mistakes here.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
Whether you're forming your own opinion or parroting one you read on Fangraphs, it's an opinion. You're confusing fact with opinion.

It's okay, a lot of undisciplined thinkers don't understand the difference. Again, though, with that lack of discipline, you'd get destroyed in an adversarial setting. It's a good thing you make your mistakes here.
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Wrong. If I say "Teheran is projected for 2.5 WAR", that is a statement of fact. He is, in fact, projected to produce that value. Whether or not those projections are accurate is irrelevant.

I really hope you never represent anyone in court. They would be in for a bad time. Maybe they could push for a mistrial due to incompetent representation. Is that a thing? I hope so, for your potential clients sake.
 
Enscheff said:
Wrong. If I say "Teheran is projected for 2.5 WAR", that is a statement of fact. He is, in fact, projected to produce that value. Whether or not those projections are accurate is irrelevant.

I really hope you never represent anyone in court. They would be in for a bad time. Maybe they could push for a mistrial due to incompetent representation. Is that a thing? I hope so, for your potential clients sake.
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I honestly don't read your analytics but I'm unaware if the notion of watching a player or seeing everything on a computer makes it gospel to you? I would imagine many teams would take Teheran over Smyly and not because a projection says Smyly is.5 WAR better. Just curious.
 
Deester11 said:
I honestly don't read your analytics but I'm unaware if the notion of watching a player or seeing everything on a computer makes it gospel to you? I would imagine many teams would take Teheran over Smyly and not because a projection says Smyly is.5 WAR better. Just curious.
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I also prefer Teheran to Smyly. I have said many times I think FG's projections are about 1 WAR too low for Teheran. When I posted the list of projected WAR values, I literally said I expect Teheran to have a better year than Smyly a few posts prior.

All I did was post the projected WAR values for the Braves rotation plus Smyly, and said I would have preferred the Braves traded Mallex for Smyly rather than acquiring any of Colon, Dickey or Garcia.

You can go back and read this all for yourself. Since I was the one who posted the info, folks here are desperately arguing any small point they can in hopes of being right about something...anything.

Gov has resorted to arguing with me about the definition of "fact" for crying out loud. That's how much these guys need to prove me wrong about something.
 
Enscheff said:
I also prefer Teheran to Smyly. I have said many times I think FG's projections are about 1 WAR too low for Teheran. When I posted the list of projected WAR values, I literally said I expect Teheran to have a better year than Smyly a few posts prior.

All I did was post the projected WAR values for the Braves rotation plus Smyly, and said I would have preferred the Braves traded Mallex for Smyly rather than acquiring any of Colon, Dickey or Garcia.

You can go back and read this all for yourself. Since I was the one who posted the info, folks here are desperately arguing any small point they can in hopes of being right about something...anything.

Gov has resorted to arguing with me about the definition of "fact" for crying out loud. That's how much these guys need to prove me wrong about something.
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thanks En....just wondering. I give my own "scouting" reports to help the board because I'm an avid prospect follower. I've hit the nail on the head of about 70% of the guys and I think that's ok. Not bragging but I love seeing them in person. I videod Braxton first HR for his dad and if any prospect moves through Rome through Gwinnett I'm open to posting reports.

I say all that to say, IMHO a fair mix of analytics and setting true performance standards on site take away someone else's agenda. Let's have healthy debate people. Ha.
 
I'd say you folks are ready for camp. Can't believe this move has generated three pages of comments.

And that's a good thing, by the way. Glad there aren't too many passive board posters these days.
 
Enscheff said:
Wrong. If I say "Teheran is projected for 2.5 WAR", that is a statement of fact. He is, in fact, projected to produce that value. Whether or not those projections are accurate is irrelevant.

I really hope you never represent anyone in court. They would be in for a bad time. Maybe they could push for a mistrial due to incompetent representation. Is that a thing? I hope so, for your potential clients sake.
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LOL

It's not a statement of fact. It's a fact that someone has made a projection, but from that you cannot prove the truth of the matter asserted. It hasn't happened. It's an impossibility for something that hasn't happened yet to be a fact, and that is how you used it. Projected facts.

Run along now, and do some important casino work. Every ****ing Indian tribe in America has one now, you know. It's a contracting industry. Just ask Donald Trump what happens when they start cannibalizing each other and there isn't enough demand to sop up the supply. Bankruptcy. Sad!
 
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