Braves Decline Dickey’s option exercise Flowers

nsacpi said:
I don't think he's the kind of guy who would keep us waiting for a firm answer for long...a simple conversation would allow us to let him know we need an answer by a certain date
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I think this is just the Braves telling Dickey that they want to go another direction, and that even if he retires, he deserved the 500K for a good season. This really isn't much news worthy. There are several internal folks that can take his spot or younger FA that might get a look.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I think this is just the Braves telling Dickey that they want to go another direction, and that even if he retires, he deserved the 500K for a good season. This really isn't much news worthy. There are several internal folks that can take his spot or younger FA that might get a look.
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ok...i guess 500k is small change for this team
 
Enscheff said:
See, I knew you guys would come up with pozzy-spin for a decreased payroll haha!

You covered the "save the money to 2019" angle.

The other angles pozzies will lean on are "don't spend money just to spend it", and "they aren't REALLY trying to win in 2018".

Actually, I think you also worked in the "they aren't really trying to win" narrative. Well done!!
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How exactly was that a spin. I mentioned nothing about revenue vs. payroll. I would just prefer to use your favorite term, 'see what we have', coupled with the fact that there is not a whole lot I like in FA..

I would prefer to sell high on Jo-gun.. get Profar for 3rd... sell high on at least one BP arm and buy another in FA... or maybe 2.

that gives us Profar/Swanson/Oz/FF infield Flowers/Kurt catcher Kemp/Ender/Neck OF until Acuna is ready..

We can test the waters on D-pete..continue to monitor Rio, I wouldn't mind Lane back if he is not already controlled by us.

Pitching -- stay young and get someone who can teach them to throw strikes.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
How exactly was that a spin. I mentioned nothing about revenue vs. payroll. I would just prefer to use your favorite term, 'see what we have', coupled with the fact that there is not a whole lot I like in FA..

I would prefer to sell high on Jo-gun.. get Profar for 3rd... sell high on at least one BP arm and buy another in FA... or maybe 2.

that gives us Profar/Swanson/Oz/FF infield Flowers/Kurt catcher Kemp/Ender/Neck OF until Acuna is ready..

We can test the waters on D-pete..continue to monitor Rio, I wouldn't mind Lane back if he is not already controlled by us.

Pitching -- stay young and get someone who can teach them to throw strikes.
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Subtle usage of the "don't spend money just to spend it" angle. Masterfully done! You've covered all 3 angles I mentioned! You are a black belt pozzy!

Never mind there are several ways to improve this roster in the short and medium term by spending money. Pozzies see a decreased payroll as a good thing haha!
 
I'm not sure what debate is going on with money now, but here are my two cents. We're at about 95 now including Kemp's full salaray, Nick's, 10.5, Matt Adams 4.5-5 and Johnson's 5. I think we'll be stuck with Kemp and Johnson, but will trade adams and Nick to be at 80. Maybe we find a taker on Johnson and keep Adams, but I'd say we're going to shed another 15M. I think we'll be looking around $120, so that should give us $40M for this year. I don't think we'll be going after JD Martinez or Yu, but we'll have some money to spend if there are some contracts worth taking on or signing. We'll get a couple of BP arms, a 3B, possibly another SP, and possibly a bench piece or two to team with Camargo and Suzuki.

I don't beleive we'll do anythign dumb and go all in, but I do think we'll make some upgrades on short term deals. The years will be more of a focus than the dollars.
 
Enscheff said:
See, I knew you guys would come up with pozzy-spin for a decreased payroll haha!

You covered the "save the money for 2019" angle.

The other angles pozzies will lean on are "don't spend money just to spend it", and "they aren't REALLY trying to win in 2018".

Actually, I think you also worked in the "they aren't really trying to win" narrative. Well done!!
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Stop trying SO hard.
 
Dickey isn’t worth the money when you have guys young guys that can on pitch cheap with around the same production. They could also take that money and add some to it towards getting a better pitcher. Either way Dickey wasn’t going to make us any better. He will only get worse each year most likely. I’m fine with the move.
 
Dickey can still give innings, but, correct, it serves no benefit from #5 slot. Anybody can be 5th starter. So it is better not to dedicate that much salary in the event that he decides that he wants to keep going.
 
nsacpi said:
not a good sign re payroll
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Constantly amazes me when people draw this conclusion. If there's anything we have plenty of, its MLB-ready starting pitching. Chances are pretty good that Matt Adams is traded - likely for more pitching.

They have consistently said they aren't willing to eat money to move a useful piece like Markakis to create room for Acuna - YET - and they haven't traded Kemp for peanuts or packaged a prospect or two with him to ditch his money. They don't appear to have started trying to unload their most marketable AND most expensive piece in Freeman.

I love to scream "the sky is falling" as much as everyone else, but this is just a blackjack dealer's ridiculous rantings. They have better places to spend $7.5 million than on R. A. Dickey and apparently feel that they'll replace him with another veteran OR will get good enough performance from some combination of the kids that he won't be a devastating loss to the rotation. Even BA is projecting that we may see Soroka and Allard (if not Wright as well) at some point in 2018, so paying him $8 million to release him in July would simply be throwing $4 million away - no one wanted him this past season at the deadline, surely no one will trade for him before he's released in 2018 either.
 
from my experience, unless you have some sort of protection against a possible explosion, telling Dickey to get out before he is finished is always the safest move..

//can't believe I am the first..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
from my experience, unless you have some sort of protection against a possible explosion, telling Dickey to get out before he is finished is always the safest move..

//can't believe I am the first..
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Good grief, you pozzies make me sick to my stomach. If you can’t see the only reason Dickey is being let go is bc the Braves are trying to get to 42 million in payroll this year, you’re dumber than the normal southerner
 
This move just means that both gohara and fried will be in the rotation. To parlay this into a salary issue is just trying way too hard to find something wrong when there are so many other glaring things wrong with the organization
 
striker42 said:
I'm not going to panic over payroll yet. There are a lot of other things at play in regards to Dickey. He's still not sure whether or not he'll hang it up. If we exercise his option, that's a lot of money we have tied up. Dickey could wait and see how he feels in the spring and then decide not to pitch leaving us with money and nothing to spend it on. Conversely, he could announce retirement without filing the papers. If we spend that money and he decides not to retire, we'd still owe him for 2018.

Without a guarantee that he's going to pitch in 2018, I think declining his option is the smart thing to do. We could always sign him to a one year deal if he later on decides to pitch.
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I don't think you can actually retire and still get paid by failing to file the papers. If you can, I am really going to look into that.

He certainly could have tied up payroll into the spring and still retired, which would have been potentially a problem. My guess is the Braves want to spend him money elsewhere.
 
msstate7 said:
Good grief, you pozzies make me sick to my stomach. If you can’t see the only reason Dickey is being let go is bc the Braves are trying to get to 42 million in payroll this year, you’re dumber than the normal southerner
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Yeah the 42 million is coming. Kiss Fredi, JT, Neck and Kemp good bye. I heard a rumor that JS and the other Liberty Media execs have run up a huge tab at the local bar drinking and paying hookers. All the new revenue that was projected was ear marked for these executive privileges. Now since all those projections are trash the FO is firing everyone and dipping into players salaries to cover the shortages.
 
I am really looking forward to all of you guys spinning the news that the Braves 2018 opening day payroll is lower than it was in 2017.

You all will have been wrong for months, and it will be hilarious to watch you attempt to backpedal on your statements.
 
Enscheff said:
Subtle usage of the "don't spend money just to spend it" angle. Masterfully done! You've covered all 3 angles I mentioned! You are a black belt pozzy!

Never mind there are several ways to improve this roster in the short and medium term by spending money. Pozzies see a decreased payroll as a good thing haha!
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Ha, you just let us know which offseason moves are the front office acting desperately to win now to save their jobs and which ones are symptomatic of the franchise being totally broke.

I'll just assume all of them will be evidence that they don't know how to compete in modern baseball so no need to point those out specifically.
 
Southcack77 said:
I don't think you can actually retire and still get paid by failing to file the papers. If you can, I am really going to look into that.

He certainly could have tied up payroll into the spring and still retired, which would have been potentially a problem. My guess is the Braves want to spend him money elsewhere.
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In baseball, simply announcing you're retired does nothing. If we had exercised Dickey's option and he said "I'm retired", we wouldn't be able to count him off the books until he filed his papers with baseball.

If he never filed his retirement papers and then showed up for Spring Training, we'd be obligated to pay him regardless of what he said. If he never filed his papers and then was a no show at Spring Training, then the Braves would be excused from paying him.

My point was that if we exercised that option, that money is tied up until he files his retirement papers. It's just a smarter play to decline the option and keep that money free. If he wants to come back and we want him back we can always sign him to a one year deal.
 
Southcack77 said:
Ha, you just let us know which offseason moves are the front office acting desperately to win now to save their jobs and which ones are symptomatic of the franchise being totally broke.

I'll just assume all of them will be evidence that they don't know how to compete in modern baseball so no need to point those out specifically.
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Trust me, I know you'll need to have the moves explained to you. Your knowledge on player value is about equal to your knowledge on service time, yet you continue to argue about both.

Here's a quick primer to help you this offseason though:

If the Braves start converting prospects into "win now" assets, they are desperate to generate revenue and save their jobs.

If the Braves open with a $100M-$120M payroll, they are broke due to low revenue.

If the Braves make smart acquisitions that sacrifice pitching prospects and/or cash for position players with 3+ years of control, those are good moves.

If the Braves trade away surplus players like MAdams and "sell high" candidates like Camargo, Riley and SFreeman, those are good moves.

If the Braves find anyone to take any of Kemp's money, that's a good move. Including prospects in exchange for salary relief is not.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you need a refresher on service time as well. Or you can team up with your fellow brainiac clv and construct a laughably dumb MAdams for Odorizzi trade...or find a way to get Sale for Jenkins. Just be sure both of you are wearing your helmets before going outside.
 
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