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Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects
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Thanks. I needed that laugh.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Probably at least one healthy impact player.
bravesnumberone
Well-known member
Does anyone honestly think this is or should have been what we were holding out on last week?
I'm thinking at least 1 guy that is healthy and has potential to be a role 6 player (first division regular).
They were supposedly waiting for a package better than what they got for Heyward, but I would take Miller over this dumpster fire of a package any day.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Wow, Hart did even worse than I thought he would. This trade makes the Heyward trade look a lot better and that's not a good thing.
BTW, I want to know what low-level prospect we gave up along with Justin. He better not be anyone good!
BTW, I want to know what low-level prospect we gave up along with Justin. He better not be anyone good!
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
If you can get that in writing it would make my week.
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
Worse yet is watching the film of the prospects, especially Fried, and I didn't see anything (stuff, location, mechanics) that scream TOR type talent, in fact I didn't see anything that screams middle of the rotation type potential...more in the lines of a Scott Diamond/Jo-Jo Reyes/the scrub that we traded to the Twins for Doumit (sorry his name escaped by memory).
And it appears we got another pitcher that whips his arm after delivering the ball, explains the arm and forearm troubles so early in his career.
Gilmartin
chop2chip
Well-known member
Fried is not really even close to being the same as any of those guys.
If he busts, then he busts the opposite way of those guys
OkieBrave
Creepy Lurking Stalker
24 million dollars to spend... or to save for "the future". How the Braves at this point can't put money with B.J. and/or Johnson to get them moved is crazy to me. Even if we had to eat HALF of their contracts it would be worth it. We would still be saving money. I'm not sure that we are done.
No, this is what you get when you wait too long to make a deal and everyone has moved onto Plans B and C.
The Padres already had Kemp and Myers, do you think they really gave up their best package to acquire a 3rd corner OFer and move Myers to CF?
Hell no. Hart ****ed up by waiting too long, all the JUp suitors filled their open spots, and he had to take whatever the Padres were still willing to give him.
Look guys....Max Fried is a top flight pitching prospect. The guy could be special. it sucks he's out this year but he has clear front line potential and will come quick once he's healthy. If he didn't get hurt there's a very good chance we don't get a guy like him for a rental.
The other pieces will take time. Dustin has some talent but is a ways away. Mallex Smith could be a real great addition here. He'll start in AA this year after playing in the AFL. He again could come very quick and I love having a prototypical leadoff hitter who walks a lot. This guy could end up being a steal. I also really like Jace Peterson. Not sure what the plan is and where he'll play but he's exactly the type of player we need. Another high average/OBP/contact guy that can play SS/2b/3B.
Yes it would have been nice to get a big piece like Walker or someone like that but we added a ton of depth with this move while taking advantage of the opportunity to get a guy like Fried because he's hurt. This could be a very good trade for us.
The other pieces will take time. Dustin has some talent but is a ways away. Mallex Smith could be a real great addition here. He'll start in AA this year after playing in the AFL. He again could come very quick and I love having a prototypical leadoff hitter who walks a lot. This guy could end up being a steal. I also really like Jace Peterson. Not sure what the plan is and where he'll play but he's exactly the type of player we need. Another high average/OBP/contact guy that can play SS/2b/3B.
Yes it would have been nice to get a big piece like Walker or someone like that but we added a ton of depth with this move while taking advantage of the opportunity to get a guy like Fried because he's hurt. This could be a very good trade for us.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I'll preface this by saying that my preference was 100% to extent Justin. I don't know why we didn't, I'm sure it could've been done.
However, as far as the trade goes, I really don't know what you guys expected. Someone mentioned it's similar to the package we sent FOR JUp, but I don't agree at all. That package included an up-and-down ML player that needed a contract (Prado) and two INFs outside the BA top 100 (at the time, think Drury might be in now) for three (3) years of Upton. We just traded ONE year of Upton for a more desirable package than that.
If we weren't going to extent him, one year of Upton does us no good except a comp. pick, and to say that comp. pick is worth more than any guys in this deal is a HUGE stretch. Like, a stretch the most flexible gymnast can't make.
I also thinks this betters our situation with CJ. If he starts hitting and a contender wants him, it's easy to deal him now. If he's terrible again, I really think we will DFA him and roll with Peterson or Kubitza.
Prospects is a numbers game. Even really highly-touted prospects flame out (MANY people are down on Wil Myers right now, for a plethora of reasons). The four guys we just got all have good-to-great upsides. Our farm is very well re-stocked and it was barren before this off-season. I'm still not a fan of the Heyward trade, because I personally would have made every effort to extent him because I think he will take off value-wise. However, other than extenting Justin, this is probably the 2nd best outcome, IMO. I trust our guys if they really like Fried, which they clearly do.
However, as far as the trade goes, I really don't know what you guys expected. Someone mentioned it's similar to the package we sent FOR JUp, but I don't agree at all. That package included an up-and-down ML player that needed a contract (Prado) and two INFs outside the BA top 100 (at the time, think Drury might be in now) for three (3) years of Upton. We just traded ONE year of Upton for a more desirable package than that.
If we weren't going to extent him, one year of Upton does us no good except a comp. pick, and to say that comp. pick is worth more than any guys in this deal is a HUGE stretch. Like, a stretch the most flexible gymnast can't make.
I also thinks this betters our situation with CJ. If he starts hitting and a contender wants him, it's easy to deal him now. If he's terrible again, I really think we will DFA him and roll with Peterson or Kubitza.
Prospects is a numbers game. Even really highly-touted prospects flame out (MANY people are down on Wil Myers right now, for a plethora of reasons). The four guys we just got all have good-to-great upsides. Our farm is very well re-stocked and it was barren before this off-season. I'm still not a fan of the Heyward trade, because I personally would have made every effort to extent him because I think he will take off value-wise. However, other than extenting Justin, this is probably the 2nd best outcome, IMO. I trust our guys if they really like Fried, which they clearly do.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Yep. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he had a better offer on the table two weeks ago.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
Seriously? My guess is 0 MLB scouts/evaluators would agree that Fried is equal to Scott Diamond.
Orphan Black
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
It's crazy how ridiculous the posters on this board have gotten. It's sad to see this site going downhill as fast as it is. Very few people have anything intelligent to say, and nearly everyone just complains.
The problem with Peterson (if you want to put him at 3B) is his lack of power. His bat may play at SS with his solid defense, but do you really want that bat at 3B?
I know what his numbers look like in the minors, but he's at an advanced age and playing in a hitters league.
He's an interesting prospect because he's a good athlete, but there is nothing about him that screams anything other than possible starter at SS or utility guy. What makes him significantly better than Pastor?