Braves get Matusz from o's

mqt said:
I kind of agree with your point, but if a statistically oriented site is dismissing Baltimore's return as non-prospects, I'd cite that as pretty solid evidence that we made out pretty well.
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Oh I agree with that - like I said, it's a good trade and one I'd make every day of the week without blinking. I just didn't want to conflate the notion that "non-prospect" equates to "no value whatsoever" -- one or both could be effective middle relief options in the short run and that has some minimal value. But I agree that they aren't "prospects" in the traditional, upside sense, and that this kind of trade is EXACTLY what a rebuilding organization should be making.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Whoever they draft at 76 will instantly be a higher rated prospect than either player we traded.
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My hope is that this is not necessarily true. If we use pick 76 to do anything other than add to our pool at 40 or 44, I'll be highly disappointed.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Whoever they draft at 76 will instantly be a higher rated prospect than either player we traded.
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Maybe. Maybe not. Lucas Herbert was our second round pick last year. I have him as our #17 prospect. I had Barker at #21. Minter and Guardado were taken in the third round and I have Barker ahead of those two.
 
nsacpi said:
Maybe. Maybe not. Lucas Herbert was our second round pick last year. I have him as our #17 prospect. I had Barker at #21. Minter and Guardado were taken in the third round and I have Barker ahead of those two.
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All of these things are opinions, but that is far higher on Barker than anybody else in baseball will be.
 
nsacpi said:
Our esteemed rico43 has Barker at 25.
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Fair enough?

The consensus among national people seems to be that both Barker and Belicek are basically non-prospects. Not saying they're right, but it's definitely something to consider when judging their value.
 
smootness said:
Fair enough?

The consensus among national people seems to be that both Barker and Belicek are basically non-prospects. Not saying they're right, but it's definitely something to consider when judging their value.
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I don't want to make too much of it. I posted earlier that prospects in that range have an expected surplus value of 0.5 WAR. But I also wanted to respond to the post that whoever we drafted with pick 76 will instantly be a better prospect. As I said maybe, maybe not.
 
nsacpi said:
I don't want to make too much of it. I posted earlier that prospects in that range have an expected surplus value of 0.5 WAR. But I also wanted to respond to the post that whoever we drafted with pick 76 will instantly be a better prospect. As I said maybe, maybe not.
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Yeah, I agree with you there. I will say that I will always prefer taking the chance on the 76 pick because I'll always take the chance on a higher-ceiling guy. If you get enough, some will pan out.
 
nsacpi said:
Maybe. Maybe not. Lucas Herbert was our second round pick last year. I have him as our #17 prospect. I had Barker at #21. Minter and Guardado were taken in the third round and I have Barker ahead of those two.
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Now healthy, Minter is a far better prospect than Barker, and will likely be a bullpen candidate within a year.
 
smootness said:
Fair enough?

The consensus among national people seems to be that both Barker and Belicek are basically non-prospects. Not saying they're right, but it's definitely something to consider when judging their value.
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I am definitely NOT national. Nor am I nationwide.
 
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