Braves get Murphy 3 way deal

i’m excited to have a legit stud catcher. d’Arnaud was bound to regress offensively, very possibly a lot. Contreras could as well. Murphy’s xwOBA numbers are extremely consistent across his career, as is his stellar defense. take studs where you can get them.
 
Super said:
that’s not a straw man at all because i didn’t claim anyone made that argument or said that.
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you implied Dester thinks WC is this awesome catcher and therefore the FO is dumb because they don't think that or they wouldn't have made the trade. Which is NOT what anyone is saying.. We all KNOW Murphy is a better catcher based on last year. but why make this trade and get rid of 5 years of servicable catching plus your very servicable 3rd catcher to get 3 years of unknown improved chatching while there are HUGE holes that have yet to be addressed. You depleted your resourses for a trade while improving what maybe 1 win maybe none. Why do that???
 
Super said:
i didn’t say or imply any of that.
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Well, in all fairness, it did seem that it was implied, but I don't care to really go on with it. Thanks Matt though. Matt and I, and Enscheff (not speaking for them) to name a few, are not diminishing what Murphy is as a catcher. We've stated that repeatedly.

Just to be clear:
1. The talent of Murphy is not in question.
2. The trade does not seem to maximize what the assets could have been allocated for. It's just an opinion because we're all still talking about SS/LF. I don't think I'm wrong AT THIS TIME.
3. WC is not an otherworldly catcher. I think he can improve and will improve. He may never be more than serviceable. It's a possibility. Doesn't make me love the guy more or less beyond having that tomahawk across his chest. I just am a fan of his.

Lastly, we expect AA to not be done. I hope he makes my angst an overreaction. I'm waiting like everyone.
 
Deester11 said:
Well, in all fairness, it did seem that it was implied, but I don't care to really go on with it. Thanks Matt though. Matt and I, and Enscheff (not speaking for them) to name a few, are not diminishing what Murphy is as a catcher. We've stated that repeatedly.

Just to be clear:
1. The talent of Murphy is not in question.
2. The trade does not seem to maximize what the assets could have been allocated for. It's just an opinion because we're all still talking about SS/LF. I don't think I'm wrong AT THIS TIME.
3. WC is not an otherworldly catcher. I think he can improve and will improve. He may never be more than serviceable. It's a possibility. Doesn't make me love the guy more or less beyond having that tomahawk across his chest. I just am a fan of his.

Lastly, we expect AA to not be done. I hope he makes my angst an overreaction. I'm waiting like everyone.
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i understand the hesitation to buy into the trade. i understand why people wouldn’t be pumped about it on its own.
i am simply because i like the idea of upgrading a position from non-stud to stud. i think adding a singular high-impact player at catcher (or elsewhere) is a great thing, especially if you suspect your incumbent catcher was going to (heavily) regress, and the other one wasn’t really a viable catcher. if the Braves didn’t make this move and did nothing else, this is a top 5 roster. with the addition of on the best catchers in the league, a top 5 roster was improved, even if it wasn’t the most pressing need.
 
Super said:
i understand the hesitation to buy into the trade. i understand why people wouldn’t be pumped about it on its own.
i am simply because i like the idea of upgrading a position from non-stud to stud. i think adding a singular high-impact player at catcher (or elsewhere) is a great thing, especially if you suspect your incumbent catcher was going to (heavily) regress, and the other one wasn’t really a viable catcher. if the Braves didn’t make this move and did nothing else, this is a top 5 roster. with the addition of on the best catchers in the league, a top 5 roster was improved, even if it wasn’t the most pressing need.
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this is where I disagree.. We had Pina/TDA/WC who any two of the three could be DH and Catcher. That takes at bats from sorryo and ozuna.. now we are 2 catchers and thus will get to see those scrubs way more than we need too. sure we can assume AA has more up his sleeve.. but as it stands, this, imo weakend our team. not substantially, but coupled with the assets traded, yes I hate this trade.

Also, if TDA goes down or heaven forbid Murphy goes down for a month, we are in huge troubles... B4 this trade we at least had options.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
this is where I disagree.. We had Pina/TDA/WC who any two of the three could be DH and Catcher. That takes at bats from sorryo and ozuna.. now we are 2 catchers and thus will get to see those scrubs way more than we need too. sure we can assume AA has more up his sleeve.. but as it stands, this, imo weakend our team. not substantially, but coupled with the assets traded, yes I hate this trade.

Also, if TDA goes down or heaven forbid Murphy goes down for a month, we are in huge troubles... B4 this trade we at least had options.
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I'd at least like us to still have a third catcher on the roster. Not sure who's left out there who would be worth the money. Or we could go with Tromp...
 
bravesfanMatt said:
this is where I disagree.. We had Pina/TDA/WC who any two of the three could be DH and Catcher. That takes at bats from sorryo and ozuna.. now we are 2 catchers and thus will get to see those scrubs way more than we need too. sure we can assume AA has more up his sleeve.. but as it stands, this, imo weakend our team. not substantially, but coupled with the assets traded, yes I hate this trade.

Also, if TDA goes down or heaven forbid Murphy goes down for a month, we are in huge troubles... B4 this trade we at least had options.
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if tda could be a DH in that scenario, he still can be now, and your catcher just got much better across the board. reality is his bat is likely not good enough to be a DH and very possible he’s below average offensively even for a catcher. if you think Pina can DH then why can’t Ozuna or Rosario? i’d trust both of them to put up better numbers next year.
 
Robyn1967 said:
I just saw this on BravesJournal:

Jim Callis on MLB Network: “A rumor I’m hearing, and I don’t know if this is imminent, but with the Braves’ payroll climbing, who knows if they’ll sign Sean Murphy to an extension… I’m hearing some Max Fried rumors on the block, that they may not be able to sign him long-term. Don’t be shocked if we see a Max Fried trade this offseason.”
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dont hate the idea if we got a haul back.
 
Super said:
if tda could be a DH in that scenario, he still can be now, and your catcher just got much better across the board. reality is his bat is likely not good enough to be a DH and very possible he’s below average offensively even for a catcher. if you think Pina can DH then why can’t Ozuna or Rosario? i’d trust both of them to put up better numbers next year.
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TDA would be primary catcher with WC as DH.. Pina spot starting. Ozuna would get a few AB's.. sorryo can hold the swords.

you can't have TDA and Murphy in same game without a 3rd catcher.. I suppose Tromp will be that guy. I have no clue about that dude.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
TDA would be primary catcher with WC as DH.. Pina spot starting. Ozuna would get a few AB's.. sorryo can hold the swords.

you can't have TDA and Murphy in same game without a 3rd catcher.. I suppose Tromp will be that guy. I have no clue about that dude.
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If we ever have to depend on Tromp for any stretch of time, we'll all appreciate Stephen Vogt.
 
The point is TDA catching with Contreras DHing and Pina on the bench is probably very close to as good (maybe better) as Murphy catching with Ozuna DHing and TDA on the bench. So right now, as of this moment, AA spent a huge resource for a lateral move in overall team quality.

Now, if subsequent moves end up with Murphy catching and Conforto DHing or in LF, nobody is going to have any reservations about the Murphy trade. However, until the point we aren't seeing Rosario and Ozuna in the lineup at the same time, it is completely fair to question this trade. And heaven forbid AA has to trade Fried to free up resources for SS/LF/DH...if that happens it is again fair to question this trade.
 
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bravesfanMatt said:
TDA would be primary catcher with WC as DH.. Pina spot starting. Ozuna would get a few AB's.. sorryo can hold the swords.

you can't have TDA and Murphy in same game without a 3rd catcher.. I suppose Tromp will be that guy. I have no clue about that dude.
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I mean we literally had TDA and Contreras in the same game numerous times last year and are lucky we didn't get burned by it. Would someone like Jorge Alfaro be worthwhile as a third catcher?
 
If we have to trade Fried to free up money to plug the holes in our lineup, my pissed-offness is going to be directed at all the money we gave Morton at the end of his career.
 
Write up from FG echoes pretty much exactly why I'm not sold on this trade: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/three-t...winner-examining-the-sean-murphy-blockbuster/

"If I were Alex Anthopoulos, I’m not sure I would’ve used my trade capital to upgrade a position where Atlanta was already strong....Murphy is an absolute stud who’s under team control for three more years and will make relative peanuts that whole time."

Those two sentences sum up the Braves end perfectly. Then he sums up how the Brewers fleeced the Braves and As in this trade: "They got a middle-of-the-order bat, at a premium position and under team control from now until the Sun swallows the Earth, plus a live bullpen arm and a hard-throwing Double-A reliever. And all it cost them was a young outfielder they didn’t think they could use."

The Brewers somehow got to act as the middleman, supplied almost no value to the transaction, and came away with the 2nd most valuable piece in the entire 9 player deal. Outrageous heist by their GM.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I mean we literally had TDA and Contreras in the same game numerous times last year and are lucky we didn't get burned by it. Would someone like Jorge Alfaro be worthwhile as a third catcher?
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I would like to see what Numerous actually equates to. I think you are playing with fire in that scenario.
 
Enscheff said:
Write up from FG echoes pretty much exactly why I'm not sold on this trade: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/three-t...winner-examining-the-sean-murphy-blockbuster/

"If I were Alex Anthopoulos, I’m not sure I would’ve used my trade capital to upgrade a position where Atlanta was already strong....Murphy is an absolute stud who’s under team control for three more years and will make relative peanuts that whole time."

Those two sentences sum up the Braves end perfectly. Then he sums up how the Brewers fleeced the Braves and As in this trade: "They got a middle-of-the-order bat, at a premium position and under team control from now until the Sun swallows the Earth, plus a live bullpen arm and a hard-throwing Double-A reliever. And all it cost them was a young outfielder they didn’t think they could use."

The Brewers somehow got to act as the middleman, supplied almost no value to the transaction, and came away with the 2nd most valuable piece in the entire 9 player deal. Outrageous heist by their GM.
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The brewers supplied the player the A's wanted.

If Murphy is worth Contreras, muller, and filler, I don't see what the problem with the trade value wise for the braves. It was the A's that gave up the prize for someone most don't like
 
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